Dry camping and water pressure - Escape Trailer Owners Community
RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Problem Solving | Owners helping each other
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:57 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Dry camping and water pressure

We have a 2020 21NE and find the pressure from the Stock Escape water pump is far to high, causing a blast of wasted water in the sinks and shower rather than a gentle and fined tuned flow. Is there a simple method to throttle down the pressure and thus save precious h2O?
__________________

Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2020, 09:36 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wake Forest, North Carolina
Trailer: 2020 5.0TA
Posts: 105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johndep View Post
We have a 2020 21NE and find the pressure from the Stock Escape water pump is far to high, causing a blast of wasted water in the sinks and shower rather than a gentle and fined tuned flow. Is there a simple method to throttle down the pressure and thus save precious h2O?
Yes. Donít open the tap all the way.
__________________

__________________
2020 Escape 5.0 TA
2014 Escape 19 - Sold
2004 Casita 17 - Flooded by Hurricane Florence
2019 Tundra Crew Max TV
ritacasita is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2020, 09:42 PM   #3
Site Team
 
padlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,082
You could install a shutoff valve on the camper side of the water pump. Many of us have a shutoff lever handled ball valve to cut off water to the toilet in case of problems. I use mine to limit water to the toilet as it gets too much pressure so I'm assuming you could do the same for the main line. It's a relatively simple thing to do.

Your the 1st I've read about with too high a pressure. Can you see the manufacturer and model # of the pump?
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
padlin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 12:02 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: McKinney, Texas
Trailer: 2018 Escape 21
Posts: 197
my guess is you have air in the water line, if that's the problem, it will settle down once all the air is gone, good luck.
CharlesPou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 12:10 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 13,089
Another cause of spurting water, which only occurs with hot water, is that pressure builds up in the water heater as the water heats up, so it spurts out until the pressure drops. If the high pressure continues, this isn't the issue.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 01:35 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 6,103
Many folks are mostly in serviced campsites with abundant water. But for those of us who do consciously conserve water another item that helps is to install an accumulator. It cuts down on the time that the pump runs full blast. The volume of water is quite usable but lower than full output from the pump. Our water pump mostly stays off. When we need it it gets turned on but then off again. Usually for the next few uses there's enough water flow for our needs.

Ron
Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 02:53 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Doug2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, Ontario
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 651
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC View Post
Many folks are mostly in serviced campsites with abundant water. But for those of us who do consciously conserve water another item that helps is to install an accumulator. It cuts down on the time that the pump runs full blast. The volume of water is quite usable but lower than full output from the pump. Our water pump mostly stays off. When we need it it gets turned on but then off again. Usually for the next few uses there's enough water flow for our needs.

Ron
Do you have a link to the accumulator you would pick.
__________________
2020 Escape 19, AKA The Escape Pod 2
Trailer #6 was a 2007 Escape 17B
2019 Toyota Tundra 4.6L 4X4 DC
Following TravellingRobert on Youtube
Doug2000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:31 AM   #8
Site Team
 
padlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,082
I used a 1 gallon like this https://absak.com/index.php/20799-00...ription_tabbed

Actual useable water capacity is usually 1/2 or less of the overall rated size of the tank. So this one is about a 1/2 gallon, some are even less. Just make sure whatever you get will fit.

Had a 2 gallon in another trailer, that was nice as you could go all night without the pump running.
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
padlin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 08:21 AM   #9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesPou View Post
my guess is you have air in the water line, if that's the problem, it will settle down once all the air is gone, good luck.
good thought, however itís easy to recognize the spurting and interruption to floe caused by air in the line and this is bot happening.
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 08:22 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by ritacasita View Post
Yes. Donít open the tap all the way.
One word - grandchild
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 08:27 AM   #11
Site Team
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#4, 2019 Escape21 DejaView pulled by 2014 Ram Hemi/8sp
Posts: 23,194
I always thought/learned that reducing the flow/volume does not reduce the pressure with liquids or gas. Thus the pressure is still high, just less of it? Perhaps the water pump needs adjusting for the cut off limit?
__________________
Jim
What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by achieving your goals....
Goethe
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 01:37 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 13,089
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008 View Post
I always thought/learned that reducing the flow/volume does not reduce the pressure with liquids or gas. Thus the pressure is still high, just less of it?
While the water is flowing, a restriction (such as a partially closed valve) reduces the pressure downstream of the restriction; it won't affect the pressure upstream (at the pump outlet) which is is controlled by the pump's controls.

It is the reduced pressure which results in less flow.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008 View Post
Perhaps the water pump needs adjusting for the cut off limit?
I agree that if the pump's output pressure is higher than desired, adjusting the pump is the preferable solution. It's just not entirely clear that this is the problem but given the "grandchild" comment this does appear to be the case: the faucet is being opened all the way unnecessarily, and the way to reduce the resulting flow is to reduce the pump's output pressure.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 03:01 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wake Forest, North Carolina
Trailer: 2020 5.0TA
Posts: 105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johndep View Post
One word - grandchild
We haven't told anybody that the camper can accommodate more than two people.
__________________
2020 Escape 5.0 TA
2014 Escape 19 - Sold
2004 Casita 17 - Flooded by Hurricane Florence
2019 Tundra Crew Max TV
ritacasita is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 05:39 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 6,103
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug2000 View Post
Do you have a link to the accumulator you would pick.
I used the 1 liter Jabsco. Of my 100 plus mods I'd put it in the top 5 for worthwhile doing.

Fairly easy install in both the 19 and 21. Other folks have installed them slightly differently. It's pretty flexible where to locate them.

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=jabsco+acc...b_sb_ss_i_1_11

Ron
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMGP0016_resize.JPG (322.5 KB, 53 views)
File Type: jpg IMGP0007_resize.JPG (284.9 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg IMGP0008_resize.JPG (298.7 KB, 37 views)
Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 06:53 PM   #15
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by padlin View Post
You could install a shutoff valve on the camper side of the water pump. Many of us have a shutoff lever handled ball valve to cut off water to the toilet in case of problems. I use mine to limit water to the toilet as it gets too much pressure so I'm assuming you could do the same for the main line. It's a relatively simple thing to do.

Your the 1st I've read about with too high a pressure. Can you see the manufacturer and model # of the pump?
Shurflo 4008
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:08 PM   #16
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by padlin View Post
You could install a shutoff valve on the camper side of the water pump. Many of us have a shutoff lever handled ball valve to cut off water to the toilet in case of problems. I use mine to limit water to the toilet as it gets too much pressure so I'm assuming you could do the same for the main line. It's a relatively simple thing to do.

Your the 1st I've read about with too high a pressure. Can you see the manufacturer and model # of the pump?
Shurflo 4008
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:11 PM   #17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johndep View Post
Shurflo 4008
I realize that pressure is not the issue as much as volume of potential flow. The Shurflo will pump 3 gallons per minute!! So just like the end of my garden hose, restricting maximum flow (system wide ball valve) will be the key to dry camping water conservation. Thanks for your contribution.
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:38 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 13,089
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johndep View Post
I realize that pressure is not the issue as much as volume of potential flow. The Shurflo will pump 3 gallons per minute!! So just like the end of my garden hose, restricting maximum flow (system wide ball valve) will be the key to dry camping water conservation. Thanks for your contribution.
Pressure causes flow. You can throw some pressure away in a valve, but that's like controlling the speed of your car by dragging the brakes while still standing on the gas pedal. The alternative is to just adjust the pump to not produce as much pressure in the first place; that's like easing up on the gas pedal.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:50 PM   #19
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Le Sueur, Minnesota
Trailer: 2012
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P View Post
Pressure causes flow. You can throw some pressure away in a valve, but that's like controlling the speed of your car by dragging the brakes while still standing on the gas pedal. The alternative is to just adjust the pump to not produce as much pressure in the first place; that's like easing up on the gas pedal.
I agree - however... how do you adjust the pressure on this pump?
https://www.nexusrv.com/fckimages/pd..._Pass_Pump.pdf
Johndep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2020, 07:55 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 6,103
I should add that having an accumulator tank also "kid proofs" the water system. Our policy on boats has always been to leave the water pump off unless water heating or dish washing was in progress. This was primarily to save water for ourselves in the advent of a leaking tap or system failure while underway.

We especially never left the water pump on when we had guests on board. And if kids were on board for the same reason. Too easy for a person that doesn't understand that there's no water main hooked to let the water flow freely and waste it. With the accumulator tank you get a useable amount to flush the toilet and rinse fingers etc. We get very good water mileage.

Ron
__________________

Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
pressure, water pump

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×