I love everything about the Escape, but....

[Videocrafters]

The windows! They don't give enough air flow. Sliders only use half the window and don't work in the rain... and the frameless barely open. So disappointing. We came from the NuCamp world where the windows are large and they fully open and work in the rain.
I know there is a fan and air conditioner, but I would like natural air flow and not have to hear the units or use the power.
So if I am stuck with those windows, which give the best air flow?
I know, nothing is perfect, but....

[Iowa Dave]

We have sliders. We like them. The air flow is plenty for us using the max fax on low and in the discharge (air out) mode. It’s something we never think about and not a very difficult part of our camping comfort. Lots of times we have the awning deployed and the door screen in place. Lots of air then too.
Iowa Dave

[salmo7000]

I have the frameless windows on my 19. While I was similarly concerned, with the door open I have found there has always been plenty of air flow. Also the emergency exit window on the left side opens pretty wide. The split window in the rear, which offers the option of opening one side while leaving the other closed, is handy too.

Two weeks ago I camped in 90+ degree temps, and when I first set the trailer up it was mostly in direct sun. With the door and all windows open and the Maxx fan running on low, it was comfortable inside.

I don’t know, another type of window might work better in terms of air flow, but I’ve been happy with the frameless so far.

[Ron in BC]

There are a few topics on this site that have been discussed before and this is one of them.

As usual with just about anything there are two entrenched viewpoints with pretty fixed opinions. I'm one of them.

I like sliders and consider them bombproof compared with the frequent problems that frameless have had.

I've seen folks diagram the airflow by measuring the number of square inches of opening on the bottom and sides of frameless windows. Sorry, air flow doesn't willingly follow that model.

And lastly, in my anti-frameless rant, I don't like the exposed edges standing proud from the surface. The look unfinished to me. Maybe if they were flush I'd have a different opinion.

Our sliders are often open in the rain and those under the awning are always open. Unless it's heavy blowing rain the screen seems to prevent rain coming in.

We don't have A/C and very rarely use the Maxxfan. A small computer fan hanging in front of a slider usually provides enough air flow for us.

To follow I'm sure: a vigorous defense of frameless windows.

Ron

[Rossue]

Not from me- have an identical setup and no regrets. When discussing these points with folks Escape refers to us(two this week) I mention the fact that Canadians know how to use a tarp in the rain. Point being the electric awning deploys straight out vs. the manual angling downward. Many times we will pull it out just a few feet to cover the entry way for either shade or rain.

[padlin]

I came from a hybrid (expandable) camper which like a pop-up had tons of airflow. The Escape has no where near the airflow as a soft sider but you get used to it quickly. When I need more air then we are getting I turn on the fan.

There is no perfect camper.

[Jim Bennett]

Not going to get into the debate of slider vs awning windows, I have discussed it way more on homes I am supplying windows for than with our trailers anyway, but we love almost every aspect of the awning style after having sliders in all our previous trailers.

We have never had a ventilation problem. It there is a breeze out their is a real nice airflow. If no breeze then any opening will get no airflow and the real quiet MaxxFan on low exhaust refreshes the air nicely.

Regardless of window style gaining decent ventilation is great as Escape trailers have lots windows that provide a good view and good ventilation, especially with the use of the MaxxFan.

[escape artist]

Originally Posted by Videocrafters

The windows! They don't give enough air flow. Sliders only use half the window and don't work in the rain... and the frameless barely open. So disappointing. We came from the NuCamp world where the windows are large and they fully open and work in the rain.
I know there is a fan and air conditioner, but I would like natural air flow and not have to hear the units or use the power.
So if I am stuck with those windows, which give the best air flow?
I know, nothing is perfect, but....

Hi: Videocrafters... The title of this thread sounds like "Click bait" to me. Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

[Dave Walter]

Originally Posted by Videocrafters

The windows! They don't give enough air flow. Sliders only use half the window and don't work in the rain... and the frameless barely open. So disappointing. We came from the NuCamp world where the windows are large and they fully open and work in the rain.
I know there is a fan and air conditioner, but I would like natural air flow and not have to hear the units or use the power.
So if I am stuck with those windows, which give the best air flow?
I know, nothing is perfect, but....

If you spend more time outside and less in the trailer, you can get as much fresh air as you need! Seriously, we have spent many mornings, afternoons, evenings, and nights in out 19' and 15' Escapes and have never noticed any lack of ventilation. Both of our Escapes have the slider windows and we are happy with those.

[cpaharley2008]

The op is referring to the European style dometic acrylic windows that open like the emergency window does, almost 90 degrees. There windows are used in the Nucamp T@b. I had these windows in my T@da as well as both my Lance trailers had them. While they open more they are more suspect to scratches and eventually fogging similar to those head light shields that turn opaque over the years. The glass in Hehr windows is a lot darker that the acrylic and will stand up a lot longer.

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

The op is referring to the European style dometic acrylic windows that open like the emergency window does, almost 90 degrees.

This is what Kimberley had done on some of their high end caravans in Australia. Pretty cool. They just reopened their operation with new ownership so not sure what models and configurations they have now.

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

There are a few topics on this site that have been discussed before and this is one of them.

As usual with just about anything there are two entrenched viewpoints with pretty fixed opinions. I'm one of them.
.........................................

To follow I'm sure: a vigorous defense of frameless windows.

Ron

Them's fight'n words!

We've had framed in the past, and now have frameless and love frameless.

TETO!

Perry

[Doug2000]

Well after owning a couple tent trailers and a couple leaky stickies I love my Escape. With everything there are trade offs.

Those acrylic windows look like they would last 5 years tops and look like the headlights on my Honda, all foggy.

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

There are a few topics on this site that have been discussed before and this is one of them.

As usual with just about anything there are two entrenched viewpoints with pretty fixed opinions. I'm one of them.

I like sliders and consider them bombproof compared with the frequent problems that frameless have had.

I've seen folks diagram the airflow by measuring the number of square inches of opening on the bottom and sides of frameless windows. Sorry, air flow doesn't willingly follow that model.

And lastly, in my anti-frameless rant, I don't like the exposed edges standing proud from the surface. The look unfinished to me. Maybe if they were flush I'd have a different opinion.

Our sliders are often open in the rain and those under the awning are always open. Unless it's heavy blowing rain the screen seems to prevent rain coming in.

We don't have A/C and very rarely use the Maxxfan. A small computer fan hanging in front of a slider usually provides enough air flow for us.

To follow I'm sure: a vigorous defense of frameless windows.

Ron

What Ron said!

[Hollybee]

WE had siders in our Casita and could not leave them open in rain, bks water ran down the frames and into the camper.
Sure the frameless windows we now have in the #21 don't open as much, but they do keep the rain out. ...except for the bathroom window, which we have found leaks a bit o' water into the shower ...if it rains while towing..no matter how tight we turn the closure handle.
I have tried to get the pesky thing to leak w a garden hose on full blast thru a nozzle..no leak..but while being toad in the rain>>leaks. I'm thinking it is a combo of slight looseness in frame and wind pushing it open enuf to make a small leak. Seems to be a small bit of "looseness" at the frame bottom and the factory and I are emailing back & 4th about it now. Problem is..IF it leaks into the shower, where else can it be leaking into?




If we want more air we turn up the maxifan.

[TX_Clint]

Originally Posted by Hollybee

WE had siders in our Casita and could not leave them open in rain, bks water ran down the frames and into the camper.
Sure the frameless windows we now have in the #21 don't open as much, but they do keep the rain out. ...except for the bathroom window, which we have found leaks a bit o' water into the shower ...if it rains while towing..no matter how tight we turn the closure handle.
I have tried to get the pesky thing to leak w a garden hose on full blast thru a nozzle..no leak..but while being toad in the rain>>leaks. I'm thinking it is a combo of slight looseness in frame and wind pushing it open enuf to make a small leak. Seems to be a small bit of "looseness" at the frame bottom and the factory and I are emailing back & 4th about it now. Problem is..IF it leaks into the shower, where else can it be leaking into?




If we want more air we turn up the maxifan.

If your bathroom vent is open when towing it can create a vacuum in the bath and cause the window to leak into the bath. Hope that helps.