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Old 08-07-2020, 09:22 PM   #1
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Larger propane tanks

Can I put 30 pound tanks To replace the 20 pound tanks on my 21’ escape?
... and how long will my battery last while dry camping. ( if using lights etc only in the evening)
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:30 PM   #2
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Can I put 30 pound tanks To replace the 20 pound tanks on my 21’ escape?

Keep in mind, you have to drag them to the fill site.
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I believe others have. Aren't they the same diameter only taller? You'd just have to buy a new propane tank cover.

Using only lights, led presumably, in the evening. A long time. And with even minimal solar charging, forever.

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Old 08-07-2020, 10:39 PM   #4
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... Aren't they the same diameter only taller?
Correct, and if you go with aluminum instead of steel tanks it helps a bit with the weight issue.

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Are you not going to be using your fridge or water in the trailer? Lights aren't the only thing that use 12v. We're pretty frugal with our power use, just the basics, and use a little less then 10Ah a day. At that rate from a single 12v battery we could get roughly 4-5 days if we try and keep the drain to less then 50%, at least double that for a pair of 6v. If I could get by with only lights for a few hours I could probably go weeks.
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From my experience with 1 battery and 2 -20 lb propane tanks, you will run out of battery long before you run out of propane .
We’ve gotten 3 to 4 days off a single 27 F battery running LED lights for short periods of time and our refrigerator on propane.
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I had considered 30 lb bottles with my 19, but found that even in cold weather the two 20 lb bottles lasted a long time, so no need to change.

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Keep in mind, you have to drag them to the fill site.
If you carry them it is easier than dragging. They are still only 55 lbs full. Not heavy at all.

I have handled a lot of 100 lb bottles over time. Not to bad to tote empty, but a bit more awkward when full. Still, where there's a will, there's a way.
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While I have thought about changing to 30 pound bottles, I agree with Jim. I dry camp at Quartzsite, AZ all winter, and with the thermostat set at 60°F, I generally go 10 - 14 days per tank. Worst case was a cold, wet week that needed a refill in 8 days.

As to electricity, when I was using a pair of 6V batteries, using 40 - 50 amp hours per day (far more than just lights) and 320 watts of solar, I never ran out as long as there was sunshine. Now I am using a pair of lithium batteries, and can go for at least a week without sun.
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You'd just have to buy a new propane tank cover
Is there a reason to need a tank cover, other than the looks and keeping everything clean? Those are good enough reasons, but countless trailers have gone their entire lives without propane covers.

I have a slight bias against covers because of my work around hydraulic machinery. Covers often hid small leaks that would have been fixed before they became large leaks. Also, a lot of covers became catch basins that, when they were removed, dumped gallons of oil from small leaks.
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Is there a reason to need a tank cover, other than the looks and keeping everything clean? Those are good enough reasons, but countless trailers have gone their entire lives without propane covers.

I have a slight bias against covers because of my work around hydraulic machinery. Covers often hid small leaks that would have been fixed before they became large leaks. Also, a lot of covers became catch basins that, when they were removed, dumped gallons of oil from small leaks.
I once had a nasty surprise when removing the tank covers on my old Holiday Rambler after a month or so of not moving it.

Some wasps had taken up residence under there and took offense when I disturbed them.

Very exciting few minutes. My wife thought I had taken up rain dancing!
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Is there a reason to need a tank cover, other than the looks and keeping everything clean? Those are good enough reasons, but countless trailers have gone their entire lives without propane covers.

I have a slight bias against covers because of my work around hydraulic machinery. Covers often hid small leaks that would have been fixed before they became large leaks. Also, a lot of covers became catch basins that, when they were removed, dumped gallons of oil from small leaks.
You’re not talking about a hydraulic pump here. The cover is a good idea to protect rubber propane hoses from UV exposure. I would think most people buying an Escape would want a cover just for the aesthetics anyway.
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You’re not talking about a hydraulic pump here. The cover is a good idea to protect rubber propane hoses from UV exposure. I would think most people buying an Escape would want a cover just for the aesthetics anyway.
You're right, it's not covering a pump, but I have developed a fetish for looking at plumbing, wiring, framing, etc. To my mind, covers are often structures that are intended to hide problems. I can see if the hoses are deteriorating, or are kinked. My eye sees real beauty in good workmanship on industrial fixtures. I don't really like the look of the tank covers. Now, after going down a muddy dirt road for 40 miles, I may change my mind.
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Old 08-08-2020, 04:45 PM   #13
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Can I put 30 pound tanks To replace the 20 pound tanks on my 21’ escape?
... and how long will my battery last while dry camping. ( if using lights etc only in the evening)
I would highly recommend against that. There are 24 hour machines where you can exchange a 20 lb tank in a pinch. With a 30 lb tank you have to find a place that will fill them and is open.

Two twenty pound tanks will last at least a month without running the heater, and at least two weeks with heater use. Having 20 lbs tanks is a positive feature not a negative IMO.

I would suggest you get one installed solar panel, to help with your battery usage. We found a single group 27 battery lasted a couple days. I expect dual 6 volt batteries to last twice as long. Unless, your running an inverter with a solar panel and dual 6 volt batteries, they should not be a limiting factor no matter how long you dry camp. Don't forget in addition to your lights your 12 volt system also runs your refrigerator and water heater controls, water pump as well as vent and heater fans.
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Or when the inevitable rust streaks develop.

Whatever flicks your switch.

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You’re not talking about a hydraulic pump here. The cover is a good idea to protect rubber propane hoses from UV exposure. I would think most people buying an Escape would want a cover just for the aesthetics anyway.
The biggest reason for the cover is UV protection in my opinion. The propane change over indicator was so yellowed on my old trailer you could barely read it.

And speaking of that, I do plan on cutting out the oval indent on my cover so I can see the change over indicator without taking the cover off.
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The biggest reason for the cover is UV protection in my opinion. The propane change over indicator was so yellowed on my old trailer you could barely read it.

And speaking of that, I do plan on cutting out the oval indent on my cover so I can see the change over indicator without taking the cover off.
You can just get a little dental mirror or similar and then you can check the changeover indicator by simply opening the little flap on top of the propane cover
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Or you can get fancy and make a window.
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Or you can get fancy and make a window.
That’s a nifty idea Don ! Pat
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The biggest reason for the cover is UV protection in my opinion. The propane change over indicator was so yellowed on my old trailer you could barely read it.

And speaking of that, I do plan on cutting out the oval indent on my cover so I can see the change over indicator without taking the cover off.
If you don't want to cut an opening in the cover, just get some peel n stick mirror stuff and put it inside so all you need to do is look inside at the mirror to see if it's green or red. Here's the thread that has the link for the mirror material. https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...tml#post300538

We have a habit now of looking at the little mirror every time we hook up to check for the red light. It's part of our 'take off' check list and every time we turn the propane on or off. Works well! -Bea
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Or you can get fancy and make a window.
Yes that's the molded indentation I was planning on cutting out. I hadn't though about adding Plexiglas to it, that's a good idea.
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