Toilet installation

[Hamster]

Has anyone cut into bath floor to install a toilet?

[Brian B-P]

Are you talking about an Escape trailer? In an Escape, the black tank is on top of the floor and the toilet sits on top of that - the toilet is not installed to or through the floor.

[Hamster]

Originally Posted by Hamster

Has anyone cut into bath floor to install a toilet?

I saw an escape for sale that had the toilet omitted from the build and was wondering about installing one. I guess I was assuming that the black tank was under the floor.
One would still have to run the black tank drain down and out, correct?
Thanks

[fudge_brownie]

It might help to provide the model of Escape you are looking at. The year would be good but not essential. The toilet is elevated with the black tank underneath, then the internal plumbing runs to the outside discharge. This is true in most models. Water supply is all on the inside. Having produced 5 different models of Escape Trailers there are differences from what I describe. Thus the model becomes critical.

[Centex]

The customer-spec 2021 5.0 listed here on ETI's website is described as "No toilet (black tank has not been deleted)" and there's a pic showing the toilet platform with no penetrations whatsoever.

As described by Brian B-P the black tank is located directly under that raised platform seen in in the bath pic, above the floor of the trailer itself.

Methinks that's a bit of a unicorn and direct inquiry with the seller and/or ETI is in order to determine exactly what one is dealing with (e.g. is there a 'hub/fitting' for the toilet drain pipe in the top of the black tank, is the black tank vent riser and vent above the roof installed, is all of the black tank drain pipe and valve in place, etc, etc?). Then there's the questions which must be asked relating to the required toilet fresh-water supply. One could make some assumptions but they'd be only that, hopefully someone at ETI knows the detail facts for this particular trailer.

With a black tank present one must think that it's possible to install a toilet, the question becomes the amount of effort and $ to make that happen and that's apparently what the OP is pursuing (kudos). I've not run across a similar situation on this forum upon which to build, but maybe someone has a link for such.

Good Luck, it's an interesting trailer value for the right buyer IMO.

Edit - FYI of the OP attached is a pic of a late 2018 5.0 in-build showing the black tank before the bath module is installed (the black tank continues forward of the bath module under the footprint of the wardrobe cabinet at the foot of the bed / left of the stairs looking forward)

[Hamster]

Thanks for that. It’ was helpful to see the location of the black tank. The trailer in question was a fifth wheel.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Hamster

I saw an escape for sale that had the toilet omitted from the build and was wondering about installing one.

That makes sense.

Originally Posted by Hamster

I guess I was assuming that the black tank was under the floor.
One would still have to run the black tank drain down and out, correct?

Yes, the drain for the black tank goes through the floor and rearward to meet the grey waste drain. Details of the routing depend on model, since the bathroom isn't placed the same way in all of them.

There's a difference between an Escape model that had no bathroom (the 17A), and one that had the toilet omitted but still has the stock bathroom (most models have a bathroom with toilet, shower, and sink as standard equipment).

If it is just the toilet that was omitted, then hopefully the fiberglass shell that forms the interior of the bathroom (so it can also act as a shower) is there in stock form; as already explained, the black tank goes under the step up in the floor, and extends into the adjacent cabinet (which is a seat base, under a closet, or the bed... depending on model). If it is the 5.0 that Alan (Centex) mentioned, or anything similar, he has covered the situation well. Issues such as vents are important, and as you can see access to the black tank area if you have to install one could be a major project.

[gbaglo]

17A has no bath, no toilet. 17B has both.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

17A has no bath, no toilet. 17B has both.

Oops, brain fade.
Thanks - I fixed that in my earlier post.
Time to finish my coffee...

[oldwave]

The opposite question, has anyone converted to a composting toilet ?

[DWM3]

To answer the OP's question, I had the unfortunate experience of installing a toilet in our 21C. We ordered it without toilet, but built out to the flange. We wanted an upgraded model of toilet that I would install. I suppose in their haste, the build sheet instructions were misinterpreted and there was no flange installed. I'm guessing the Production folks assumed we were going to add a composting toilet.

To make a long and somewhat unpleasant story short, with Dustin's help I completed the installation. He sent the flange and the proper adhesive and sealant and some (originally incomplete) instructions. Using a hole saw, jig saw and some muscle the flange got installed and thereafter the toilet.

If all the parts are there other than the flange, and the OP ends up purchasing the trailer, I'm happy to flesh out the installation instructions and post the relevant photos.

[Hamster]

Thanks to all who stepped up with info. All good stuff.