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06-04-2021, 09:27 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Mexico, New Mexico
Trailer: 2017 E19
Posts: 613
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Travel with full tanks
Forum members,
Do you typically travel with full or empty tanks? Is there any concern with the supports for the tanks being adequate to support full tanks while traveling?
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06-04-2021, 09:30 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2021 F150 Lariat 2.7L EB
Posts: 10,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MVA
Forum members,
Do you typically travel with full or empty tanks? Is there any concern with the supports for the tanks being adequate to support full tanks while traveling?
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If you mean fresh water tank, there's no concern towing with it. If you mean the black tank and the gray tank, I'd only tow as far as the nearest dump station - not because of any structural issues, but because it's kind of gross to travel with full waste tanks.
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06-04-2021, 09:42 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Where I like to camp, you go in on a forestry road with full fresh water and empty grey and black, and come out with almost empty fresh and close to full grey and black.
I did develop a leak where the grey water tank drain enters the tank, after many years of rutted and washboard roads.
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What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
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06-04-2021, 10:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Cold Spring, Kentucky
Trailer: 2022 21C + 2021 F-150 PowerBoost 4x4
Posts: 563
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
Where I like to camp, you go in on a forestry road with full fresh water and empty grey and black, and come out with almost empty fresh and close to full grey and black.
I did develop a leak where the grey water tank drain enters the tank, after many years of rutted and washboard roads.
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Sorry for drifting off the original topic here, but just how rugged have you found the Escape to be on those rougher roads? We’re hoping to get off the beaten path when we (eventually) get our trailer, so this is an important factor for us. Thanks.
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06-04-2021, 10:23 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
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I've found it works well on the back roads. It could go places that my RAV couldn't, judging by the clearance.
I do bungee the drawers, cupboards and fridge and keep fridge door shelves light.
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What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
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06-04-2021, 10:27 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Santa Rosa, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 15B sold, 2019 Escape 19
Posts: 367
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I leave my house with full fresh water tank, some places I go to don't have water and while other do there is still no easy way to fill the tank. By now I've traveled many thousands of miles with a full fresh water tank.
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06-04-2021, 10:31 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Cold Spring, Kentucky
Trailer: 2022 21C + 2021 F-150 PowerBoost 4x4
Posts: 563
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
I've found it works well on the back roads. It could go places that my RAV couldn't, judging by the clearance.
I do bungee the drawers, cupboards and fridge and keep fridge door shelves light.
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Thank you very much. Great to know, and awesome photos too.
Now back to the regularly scheduled program. . . .
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06-04-2021, 11:39 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Humboldt County, California
Trailer: 2009 Escape 19
Posts: 175
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Just remember that the fresh water tank is behind the axles, so when full it will increase the gross weight of the trailer while reducing the tongue weight on the hitch. This has the potential to cause stability problems while towing down the highway , so make sure you maintain at least 10-15% of your gross trailer weight at the hitch to minimize the potential for problems.
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06-04-2021, 11:57 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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That's why I start out a trip with eight cases of beer under the front dinette.
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What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
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06-05-2021, 04:43 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Trailer: 2020 Escape 5.0TA "Zen"
Posts: 1,390
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There's a lot of good advice here. I travel with full fresh water whenever possible. The ride is more stable. Less bouncing. Better for beer.
I also get rid of gray and black at the first opportunity usually.
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06-05-2021, 07:09 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2019 5.0TA "Junior", 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
Posts: 1,600
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I always travel with the fresh water tank full - you never know when you might break down and be stranded for a while, or happen on a great boondocking spot. I try to dump gray whenever I can and avoid traveling with much in the gray tank to avoid the stress of pressure on the rigid fittings that feed in and out of the gray tank since that has proven to be an issue for some folks. I don't have as much of a concern about traveling with a few days worth of water in the black tank since in our 5.0 it is completely encased in plywood above the floor and can't move around like the gray tank hanging below the trailer - usually dumping black once a week works well for us.
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06-05-2021, 08:33 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19'er + 2018 Highlander
Posts: 300
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George Johnson
Just remember that the fresh water tank is behind the axles, so when full it will increase the gross weight of the trailer while reducing the tongue weight on the hitch. This has the potential to cause stability problems while towing down the highway , so make sure you maintain at least 10-15% of your gross trailer weight at the hitch to minimize the potential for problems.
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Using a Sherline tongue weight scale, the full fresh water tank (verses an empty tank) only reduced the tongue weight of our 2018 19'er by 40 lbs.
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2018 Escape 19'er & 2018 Highlander
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06-05-2021, 08:46 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2021 F150 Lariat 2.7L EB
Posts: 10,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeBoulder
Using a Sherline tongue weight scale, the full fresh water tank (verses an empty tank) only reduced the tongue weight of our 2018 19'er by 40 lbs.
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Similar results here. The tandem axles help too. We're set up tongue heavy anyway so we don't worry if the tongue weight drops a bit.
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06-05-2021, 10:08 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA (Little Elsie) Extensively Personalized
Posts: 2,973
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
That's why I start out a trip with eight cases of beer under the front dinette.
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Only eight cases? How many kegs?
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06-05-2021, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Victoria, Texas
Trailer: 21C Jan. 15, 2021
Posts: 358
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Just remember it is just a Torsion flex axle system. Not an independent off road system like on a Black Series Camper.
So treat it as if it’s not an off-road axle, but more decent back roads and you will be ok.
Angie and Rhonda in Adventures into Nomadness (YouTube) hit a pot hole and had to replace the axle.
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06-05-2021, 02:17 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Lanesboro, MN, between Whalan and Fountain, Minnesota
Trailer: 2016 Bigfoot 25RQ - (2018 Escape 5.0 sold)
Posts: 2,174
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcboyd
Just remember it is just a Torsion flex axle system. Not an independent off road system like on a Black Series Camper.
So treat it as if it’s not an off-road axle, but more decent back roads and you will be ok.
Angie and Rhonda in Adventures into Nomadness (YouTube) hit a pot hole and had to replace the axle.
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So we shouldn’t travel to Alaska?
Enjoy,
Perry
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06-05-2021, 02:36 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2021 Escape 17B
Posts: 43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo
That's why I start out a trip with eight cases of beer under the front dinette.
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06-05-2021, 03:00 PM
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Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 45
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We always try to keep our fresh tank full. Three times we have arrived at our next campsite to find the water systems down. As for the waste tanks, we'll empty those as required, depending on what facilities are available down the road. If we are going off grid for an extended time, we take an extra 20 liters of fresh water with us.
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06-05-2021, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeBoulder
Using a Sherline tongue weight scale, the full fresh water tank (verses an empty tank) only reduced the tongue weight of our 2018 19'er by 40 lbs.
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That's just what should be expected: if the freshwater tank is 28 US gallons that's 234 pounds, and the distance the fresh water tank is behind the axle centre is 17% of the distance from axle to ball, then the change in tongue weight would be 17% of 234 pounds... or 40 pounds.
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06-05-2021, 03:12 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rbryan4
Similar results here. The tandem axles help too.
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As long as the trailer stays level, the number of axles doesn't matter. But yes, if loading variations change the level, forcing the trailer tail-down increases tongue weight (by moving the effective axle location rearward), increasing hitch load.
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