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Old 06-12-2022, 08:14 AM   #21
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From what I understand past problems occurred by using PVC hoses that were clearly labeled as being suitable only for cold water.
These hoses don't seem to have that disclaimer and state only "For Use With Water only in Accessible Locations".
Is there a chance that ETI is using them because they are deemed suitable for both hot and cold water?

Also, I'm wondering about driver's side outdoor shower. Are they using the same hoses and are they accessible for replacement?
As a soon to be E19 owner I'm trying to keep my to-do list up to date!
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Old 06-12-2022, 08:18 AM   #22
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Has anyone asked ETI to comment? If so, have they?

Interested in whether I need to add this to the list of items to include with the build list on my pending 21C.
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Old 06-12-2022, 08:22 AM   #23
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It seems that Escape is being stupid again. A thread asking how to fix a water leak included a picture of the water connections that made the hair rise on the back of my neck. Escape is back to using PVC hoses in hot water service again!
https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...tml#post422586

Use of PVC hoses for hot water service in the US was banned long ago due to the propensity of the hoses to burst due the thermal expansion of the hoses. Escape tried using them before in 2017 21s and forced Reace to make his famous round the US trip replacing all those hoses because they were bursting.

Take a look at the pic below. Notice the white PVC hoses in the picture. They are not rated for hot water use but are connected to the hot water PEX supply.

If your trailer has these hoses connected to hot water service, you must replace them immediately! It will be a sad day to find water running out the trailer door due to a burst water hose.

From the original photo. Looks like either drops of water from a possible leak or bubbles in the hose. I did find a reference online that states nylon braided pvc is ok for hot water usage but is more likely to fail than other types.
https://www.thespruce.com/flex-lines-2718729
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Old 06-12-2022, 08:26 AM   #24
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Old 06-12-2022, 09:27 AM   #25
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This forum seems to always bring out the "best" in a few of our members - they always have something derogatory to add to the conversation.

Well, I am very grateful for the "heads up"! I'll be picking up my 21C in early July, and I'll be sure to check this.


Even if I don't have PVC hoses, if my plumbing looks as ridiculous as in the picture above, I'll probably redo it anyway just to clean it up.
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Old 06-12-2022, 10:16 AM   #26
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From the original photo. Looks like either drops of water from a possible leak or bubbles in the hose. I did find a reference online that states nylon braided pvc is ok for hot water usage but is more likely to fail than other types.
https://www.thespruce.com/flex-lines-2718729
Nylon braided hose can be rated for hot water service but it will also have a red stripe down the length of the tubing to designate that it is rated for hot water. Braided hoses with a blue stripe or no stripe are for use only with cold water service.

It may be that the hoses in the OP's picture have the red stripe but I didn't see it. If on inspection, you see that your hoses have the red stripe - they are rated for hot water service and should be good. As Stephen99 stated however, they do fail more often than the stainless braided hoses.
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Old 06-12-2022, 11:23 AM   #27
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Nylon braided hose can be rated for hot water service but it will also have a red stripe down the length of the tubing to designate that it is rated for hot water. Braided hoses with a blue stripe or no stripe are for use only with cold water service.

Thank you for answering the question I posed, which you characterized as "derogatory".
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Old 06-12-2022, 11:44 AM   #28
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This forum seems to always bring out the "best" in a few of our members - they always have something derogatory to add to the conversation.
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Old 06-12-2022, 12:31 PM   #29
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Here's a link to the product, based on the SKU on the label:



https://www.lasallebristol.com/produ...i-p-x-f-i-p-5/


Unfortunately, LasalleBristol is just a reseller, so no real specs or information on who the OEM was.
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Old 06-12-2022, 01:09 PM   #30
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Even if I don't have PVC hoses, if my plumbing looks as ridiculous as in the picture above, I'll probably redo it anyway just to clean it up.
What components would you use and how would you accomplish the same functions?

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Old 06-12-2022, 04:32 PM   #31
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What components would you use and how would you accomplish the same functions?

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I would have just gone from pex, straight into a threaded tee, and attached both hoses directly to the tee.
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Old 06-12-2022, 04:50 PM   #32
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Old 06-12-2022, 05:13 PM   #33
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In our 2019 trailer all the plumbing is Pex right up to the faucets, I don't think there is any white flex tubing used anywhere.
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Old 06-12-2022, 05:19 PM   #34
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I would have just gone from pex, straight into a threaded tee, and attached both hoses directly to the tee.
Hugh, are you able to show the fittings you would use? I assume that you would intend on getting rid of the elbows?
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Hugh, are you able to show the fittings you would use? I assume that you would intend on getting rid of the elbows?
Last winter I had a residential tank-to hot water line go bad, it was the metal braided type. It turned that basement into a steam room. I myself don’t like to fix plumbing problems where there isn’t any yet, they will be there eventually, usually not the one you expected.

From what I can see the one advantage to the flex line Escape is using it allows for some give with all the movements a trailer goes through.
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In our 2019 trailer all the plumbing is Pex right up to the faucets, I don't think there is any white flex tubing used anywhere.
I think the white flex hose provided water to the outside showers, if optioned. No shower, no white hose.
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Old 06-12-2022, 06:34 PM   #37
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It's possible that some worker on the assembly line used the braided nylon hose on the hot line by his own volition, without checking whether it was okay. Perhaps ETI would consider this an assembly error and cover the cost of a proper replacement.

If those who have this incorrect installation would contact ETI, at the very least it would put them on notice to look into the issue and perhaps they'd take steps to avoid the mistake on future trailers. (You'd be helping those of us who are still in the queue! )
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I'll call the factory tomorrow and speak with Karl about the white hose situation......
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In our 2019 trailer all the plumbing is Pex right up to the faucets, I don't think there is any white flex tubing used anywhere.
FWIW, my 2019 21C has Pex going to braided steel to and from the sink, and then Pex to the outside shower. Quite snazzy looking, but I didn't have a camera with me when I looked. Can post a photo if you want.
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My Sept ‘21 E19 has the white flex hoses only at the bath sink. Seems this is a trailer by trailer check as it appears ETI used what they had when your trailer went down the line.
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