Dry CaMPING AND gENERATORS~

[Duramax Guy]

Hi All,

are the Honda Eu 3000 gen sets all they are hyped to be?

 

[C&G in FL]

Hi All,

are the Honda Eu 3000 gen sets all they are hyped to be?

Honda generators are great. If you had an Escape, you could power the A/C with a much lighter EU2000i. Your profile indicates you have, as Tammy would say, an SOB (some other brand). Not sure what the power requirements of the RPOD would be, but the EU3000 is not something that one person picks up and moves around easily.

 

[padlin]

I've heard the 3000iS in campgrounds before, seemed quieter then my 2000i. If you don't mind lugging it around or the price, it's an awful nice unit.

Might consider a pair of 2000i's in parallel, at least you could move them around and have the option to only carry 1 when you don't need the air conditioner. About the same price.

 

[Duramax Guy]

Yes I agree that's why I'm ordering either a 19 or 21 for Dec delivery))
I thought a 3000 was minimum to start a 13500 AC dometic??

 

[Duramax Guy]

Bob

Great advice

There are plenty here in calgary next to new

At good prices for 3000is Hondas

I will chain it into the bed when using it

I only need help when loading and unloading for a trip ��

 

[padlin]

Yes I agree that's why I'm ordering either a 19 or 21 for Dec delivery))
I thought a 3000 was minimum to start a 13500 AC dometic??

Last I knew, you can run the Escape A/C's on a 2000i, at least mine does, although a 3000i would be better for a 13.5k btu, Escapes uses an 11000 btu.

 

[tractors1]

Yes I agree that's why I'm ordering either a 19 or 21 for Dec delivery))
I thought a 3000 was minimum to start a 13500 AC dometic??

My 2000i runs my AC just fine.

 

[dfandrews]

Something to keep in mind if you camp at higher elevations:
You should derate the generator capacity by 3½-4% per 1000 ft., so if you camp a lot above 6,000 ft. like we do, that's a 20-25% hit on generator capacity, and that's enough to cause the 2000i to be insufficient to run (or at least start) the A/C. But then, how often do you need A/C above 6,000 ft.?

 

[Duramax Guy]

Last I knew, you can run the Escape A/C's on a 2000i, at least mine does, although a 3000i would be better for a 13.5k btu, Escapes uses an 11000 btu.

Bob this means there is no heat strip for heat on the 11000 correct? Is it a Dometic Low Pro Penguin 11000?

 

[Duramax Guy]

Something to keep in mind if you camp at higher elevations:
You should derate the generator capacity by 3½-4% per 1000 ft., so if you camp a lot above 6,000 ft. like we do, that's a 20-25% hit on generator capacity, and that's enough to cause the 2000i to be insufficient to run (or at least start) the A/C. But then, how often do you need A/C above 6,000 ft.?

True, I think a good used 3000is is better than a new Champion per se..........

And the capacity will be welcome always, and the quietness too.

I was told though, that true camping means roughing it with the Maxxfan, drawing cool Canadian mountain air in the evenings.......and deleting the need for AC altogether......if we are to keep the unit, then the buyers who need it get a fresh one installed when they buy it..........

 

[C&G in FL]

And the capacity will be welcome always, and the quietness too.

I was told though, that true camping means roughing it with the Maxxfan, drawing cool Canadian mountain air in the evenings.......and deleting the need for AC altogether......if we are to keep the unit, then the buyers who need it get a fresh one installed when they buy it..........

Capacity = greater fuel consumption, thus more expensive because more is needed. And when not running in the Eco mode, the 2000 is 1 db louder than the 3000. It is doubtful that one could realistically differentiate between 59 and 58 db without using a sound meter. Also, 3000 is much heavier (I wouldn't want to lug my EU2000i very far) and has a much larger footprint making transport and campsite positioning a concern. If one wishes to have a generator, it would be judicious to consider all the pros AND cons of each unit being considered.

Some would say that true camping means sleeping under the stars or at most, pitching a tent. And for those who RV, whether they are "camping" or simply touring, not all of them are doing so in the cool Canadian mountain air. I personally would not consider sleeping in an Escape while using the MaxxFan to draw in cool air to be roughing it, any more than I would consider sleeping in an Escape running the A/C to be living in luxury. But maybe it is, when compared to living in a tent. It's all relative. Just my two cents.

 

[padlin]

Bob this means there is no heat strip for heat on the 11000 correct? Is it a Dometic Low Pro Penguin 11000?

It is the Low Pro but I believe you can get it with an optional heat strip if you ask. Another option is get the trailer "air conditioner ready". Ceiling is reinforced and the wiring is in place.

 

[Jsg55337]

The 3000 is much larger and heavier than the 2000


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[Jim Bennett]

.... but the EU3000 is not something that one person picks up and moves around easily.

I just loaded our Yamaha 3000W inverter gen set in the back of my truck alone a few weeks ago. Man, that used to be so easy. I think it is getting harder because tailgates are getting higher.

Mind you, I have never even considered hauling it when camping, it is just too big, and although relatively quiet, still too noisy for my liking when camping. I can see for those that live in melting areas like in the Southern US though.

 

[C&G in FL]

I just loaded our Yamaha 3000W inverter gen set in the back of my truck alone a few weeks ago. Man, that used to be so easy.

Jim, you are so right about tailgates getting higher and higher. I also find the older I get the more difficult lifting heavy items gets. I used to carry a concrete block in each hand. Not that I carry them often, but now I am more inclined to carry them one at a time.

 

[cpaharley2008]

At one time in my life I was able to tear a phone book in half, now I have trouble opening the mail......!

 

[rubicon327]

The 3000 is much larger and heavier than the 2000

Looking at the Honda website shows the 3000i at 131 lbs dry versus 46lbs for the 2000i. Almost 3x heavier. They also make a 3000i Handi which is only 78lbs but this doesn't come free. It holds less fuel, has a slightly lower rated capacity (2600W vs. 2800W) and is much louder. Based on the specs the 3000i Handi model would be as loud at 1/4 load as the 3000i at full load.

From personal experience I have found the 2000i to be perfect to store, manage and use. It runs the A/C but no other big loads (i.e. microwave) simultaneously which is fine. The generator is primarily used to recharge batteries every few days while off-grid in a very remote area. No solar (yet).

 

[Dave Walter]

Given that for use with an Escape the Honda 2000 may be just "adequate", and the 3000 a bit of "overkill", I think the Yamaha 2400 is a great compromise between the two Honda generators.

 

[rubicon327]

Given that for use with an Escape the Honda 2000 may be just "adequate", and the 3000 a bit of "overkill", I think the Yamaha 2400 is a great compromise between the two Honda generators.

Agreed, especially for those that are dealing with derates at altitude. Just about the same noise level as a Honda 2000i. Weight is 75 lbs dry.

 

[Duramax Guy]

Capacity = greater fuel consumption, thus more expensive because more is needed. And when not running in the Eco mode, the 2000 is 1 db louder than the 3000. It is doubtful that one could realistically differentiate between 59 and 58 db without using a sound meter. Also, 3000 is much heavier (I wouldn't want to lug my EU2000i very far) and has a much larger footprint making transport and campsite positioning a concern. If one wishes to have a generator, it would be judicious to consider all the pros AND cons of each unit being considered.

Some would say that true camping means sleeping under the stars or at most, pitching a tent. And for those who RV, whether they are "camping" or simply touring, not all of them are doing so in the cool Canadian mountain air. I personally would not consider sleeping in an Escape while using the MaxxFan to draw in cool air to be roughing it, any more than I would consider sleeping in an Escape running the A/C to be living in luxury. But maybe it is, when compared to living in a tent. It's all relative. Just my two cents.

You make very valid points! and I think 1 thing is that weight can deter thieves because they would need to get a friend to help them load it! Plus the used 1 yr and younger EU 3000's out there are very tempting......I like the light weight of the 2000's though and when not in use in the back of the cab of the pickup I would feel safer since they are so portable!

You are right, the true nature of camping is relative, and AC or Fan, we as modern society are blessed and getting too used to the lap of luxury! I went to Pysio yesterday and there is a lady there saying she still tents it with her husband for the most part, since that is true camping, but they use cots now, no more sleeping on the cold Canadian ground at any time, that is their sense of luxury!