Framed vs frameless windows

Well, different experiences for different folks. In 9 years I've never cleaned out a window track and never had a problem. I've never had to rush to close a window either if it starts to rain. The windows are screened and unless it's really blowing water isn't going to come inside, or at least, it never has for me.

Ron

:laugh:When I first went to respond I didn't notice that you were from North Van. My response was going to be - if you lived in BC (Vancouver Island for us) - blowing and water are pretty much a given. We had sliders on our Bigfoot and, never again. All it took was one good blow/rain and the inside dinette was sodden. Tried to get it completely dry but, never was 100% and when we sold it, the ply under the dinette needed to be replaced.

For that reason, we're going with frameless on our upcoming E19. Weighing the pros and cons after reading many a post, bottom line for us, where we live and will mostly camp, is keep rain out and air flowing.
 
Window preferences are typically pretty strong one way or the other. We went framed with the split frameless rear on our 2021 E19. There were many reports of frameless issues, and sliders on our previous RV’s had always been reliable. The larger bed and two dinette sliders on our trailer have been horrible. Since we have the manual awning, I do not want frameless there, but haven’t decided how to solve my slider issues yet. The issues with frameless have seemed to decrease the last few years.
 
We had framed windows in our 2005 17A - and had no issues with rain coming in - our only issue was the old stove outside vent cover had deteriorated due to age. Our 2017 has the frameless - and I am of the opinion that both do a great job and have their own advantages for different reason. Basically, choose what you like and you will be happy with your choice!! ;D:thumb:
 
We went with Framed for a few reasons:

** No additional cost
** No center divider or screen on rear window to obstruct view
** They have double pane glass with air gap
** No potential damage by manual awning

No problems so far.
 
We went with Framed for a few reasons:

** No additional cost
** No center divider or screen on rear window to obstruct view
** They have double pane glass with air gap
** No potential damage by manual awning

No problems so far.

Me too but I still ended up with a frameless door window, with the unfinished edge that I hate the look of and a framed but awning type window in the bathroom that interacts with the awning arm. :rolleyes: Wish I had the vertical slider that my 19 had.

Ron
 
I went with frameless in a 2017 21. So far I have had a separation between the glass in the bathroom window (which I fixed by epoxying them back together - I don't care if they fog since it is the bathroom), and a failure of the opening mechanism in the kitchen window. The thin metal pieces between the rollers in the window track & the arms from the opening knob bent, making it difficult to open & close the window.

Eventually, the roller in one side of the track popped out - very difficult to get it back in place & it is deformed enough that it doesn't stay in the track. After that the track separated from the glass, I epoxied the track back to the window and open & close it as little as possible, although it is the window I usually open most often. I expect to replace the window when I return to my home base in April.

Even with those problems, I prefer the frameless windows. I has the framed windows in my 2011 17B, and returned to a wet bed more than once. Being able to leave the windows open when away from the trailer is important to me.

On the other hand, if I was to purchase a new trailer, I would not want the power awning. The manual was not a choice in 2017, and I find that even though the electric awning is easier to deploy & retract, I don't use it as often as the manual in my 17B. Without the ability to tilt the awning & tie it down, the electric is not as useful to my style of camping.

With the manual awning, I would want the windows under the arms to be sliding; the rest frameless.
 
love my frameless windows...I would choose them again. I have had the framed sliders in boats...and come back to wet cushions as others have said
 
Funny thing tho, those that love framed, me included, would still love them and the frameless crowd would still be convinced that they're the way to go. :flowers:

Ron

Hey Ron- are you having ETI install those Arctic Tern windows they're using in the 23?
 
We've been really happy with the framed windows in our 5.0. No leaks at all. A little stiff to open but they eases up after a couple of uses.
 
Hey Ron- are you having ETI install those Arctic Tern windows they're using in the 23?

Well I'd install them myself and I did price them out.

But, funny thing is though, we like our current windows just fine and really don't see the need for a change. :)

Ron
 
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Originally Posted by Vermilye View Post
With the manual awning, I would want the windows under the arms to be sliding; the rest frameless.
My preference too, but wasn’t an allowed choice.
We were probably the last ones to be able to get frameless on the drivers side, and framed on the awning side (we have the manual awning).
If I was to do it over again I would get frameless all around. We don't always deploy the awning, but when we don't, and it's raining, we can't leave the window by the head of our bed open for fear of getting rained on (We could switch the head of the bed to the other side and use the escape window, but it opens too much for our comfort). You could always place one of those "Remove before flight" red streamers on the awning to remind you to close your frameless windows before closing the awning if you're worried about cracking an open window. :)
If you just want natural breezes for ventilation, the framed sliders will work better to allow wind to flow through, but if you're like us, we normally use the fan for forced ventilation, and the fan moves the same amount of air with either window.
 
2020 5.0 here, frameless insulated Lipperts. We’ve liked the windows a lot and had them in our previous 17B with no complaints.

It may be an idiosyncrasy of stress on the narrower loft windows, but we’ve had three of the four (each side is double paned) with insulation fail close to year two. Water leaks between the double panes, they get really cloudy and must be replaced if you prize window clarity. Only have warranties for a year by Lippert. And they are expensive! So, I’d expect Escape, as it’s gone pretty upscale, will find something better.
 
Well I'd install them myself and I did price them out.

But, funny thing is though, we like our current windows just fine and really don't see the need for a change. :)

Ron

How much was the quote for the windows? Was it from ETI?
 
How much was the quote for the windows? Was it from ETI?

No, not ETI, I don't think that they were selling them at the time.

I priced them out at Overland Tern. Don't remember what the cost was for a couple of specific windows. Nice windows but the funny thing is that when I'm using my trailer I never have the thought "Oh, I should replace these windows with something else." :)

Ron
 
I just watched the new video ETI released, showcasing the differences between the old glass and new acrylic windows. Personally I'm glad I have the glass windows. So easy to open: flip one lock lever, slide open. Done! The new acrylic windows have a series of lock levers to flip, then you push it open, then you reach through to lock each strut into position, then you slide the screen into place. The rear window ETI showed had 5 lock levers, so that's 9 steps versus my current 2 steps. :nonono:

I can only imagine how many skeeters might gain entrance when one lowers the screen and spends precious moments disengaging the strut locks! :eek:
 
We’ve actually had windows like that on a previous trailer. We liked them. We always, even now with our sliders, go in after dark and close windows before turning on a light. If we have bugs, we just turn the bath light on, kill them and we are basically bug free.
 
I just like the idea that I can get the glass fixed on a broken slider window in just about any town. No so with acrylic windows and possibly not frameless. Stuff happens when you least expect it.
 

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