I Think We Did Everything Wrong!

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After 55 years of tent camping, my wife and I decided to purchase a trailer that could be pulled by our 2016 Kia Sorento (V6, all-wheel drive). I spent way too much time analyzing and comparing the different models of trailers that could be pulled by our car and that we could afford (unfortunately, we have very little money). Like most people, we wanted something really nice but for not much money. Fast forward several years: I see an ad on the internet for a 2023 Escape 17B with the exact layout that we wanted and, while the price was out of our budget, it seemed worth giving the dealer a call. First Thing We Did Wrong: The dealer was on the opposite side of the country. We called him anyway and did a FaceTime tour of the RV. It was everything we wanted. He said that the people who bought it originally picked it up at the factory and drove it to Jacksonville, Florida, only to discover that it was too small for them (he mentioned that they were of ‘size’) - they traded the Escape for something larger. We thanked the salesman for his time but said it was out of our budget, to which he replied, “Make me an offer . . . “ Embarrassed, I divulged that all we could afford was almost 20% less than he was asking. He said, “Sold.” My wife and I collectively gulped. Second Thing We Did Wrong: Bought an RV without looking at it (in person). The logistics were going to be tough as November is a busy month for us (our youngest daughter is getting married in November plus 18 people for Thanksgiving dinner at our house). The dealer said, “No problem, pay for it now and pick it up in December.” But we really didn’t want to make a Third Thing We Did Wrong: Sending a significant percentage of our meager savings to someone we had only met on the internet. Okay, we’ll just drop everything we’re doing (or were supposed to be doing) and go pick up our new-to-us trailer that’s 2,800 miles away. Smart.

But, first I have to get our 8-year old Kia ready to tow a 2,800-pound trailer. I research and install a trailer hitch and brake controller. I discover a suspension support device and decide that it’s essential and install it also. I run the wires for the 7-pin connector and install a wiring harness. Before we leave, I’m confident that we’ll have taillights, turn signals and brake lights but I have no idea if the trailer brakes will work.

It takes us 36 hours of driving to get to Jacksonville, we grab a few hours of sleep and show up at the dealership. There sits our newest prize possession, gleaming, looking like new. A technician walks us through everything, proving everything works and educating us on how to use it. There were a few adjustments to be made but he did them in minutes. We backed the Kia up to the trailer and connected it: Everything works! Taking care of the paperwork is quick and they wave us goodbye.

For our first night out, we picked a state park that was about an hour’s drive from the dealership. We were exhausted and excited. Setting up our camp for the first time was interesting but not difficult. This was a whole new level of camping! No ice chest - we now have a refrigerator! A regular mattress - no inflating an air mattress! Air conditioning! A bathroom! We were giddy with the comforts of our new portable home.

After a good night’s sleep, we were up early and got back underway. I found that the Kia seemed to run better if I left it in fifth gear and kept it at 60 miles per hour although I would frequently have to downshift for an overpass or to climb a grade. The only grade where I had to downshift into third gear was to climb over the Laguna Mountains, which is a 7% grade (but, even in third gear, I was able to keep the speed to 45 miles per hour and the intake manifold vacuum was high). We routinely did 500-600-mile days (one night we arrived at the campground after dark and had to back into our assigned space - not easy but didn’t take too long). I calculated our fuel consumption to be about 15 miles per gallon (15.7 liters per 100 kilometers for my Canadian friends) which isn’t great but I didn’t have to spend US$80,000 for a new truck. Besides Florida, we camped in Alabama, two different places in Texas and once in Arizona before we got home. Nothing broke. My wife and I are still best friends. Now, no more goofing off! We need to get to work!

Safe travels, everyone.
 

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Sweet trailer ! Congrats on a well executed purchase and drive home. Yes it’s a bit different than a tent ! We love our 17B too. Welcome to the club !
Bob
 
Sometimes you just have to go for it and you did. I wouldn't call anything you did a mistake.

Glad it's all worked out and you've already started making memories.

Ron
 
After 55 years of tent camping, my wife and I decided to purchase a trailer that could be pulled by our 2016 Kia Sorento (V6, all-wheel drive). I spent way too much time analyzing and comparing the different models of trailers that could be pulled by our car and that we could afford (unfortunately, we have very little money). Like most people, we wanted something really nice but for not much money. Fast forward several years: I see an ad on the internet for a 2023 Escape 17B with the exact layout that we wanted and, while the price was out of our budget, it seemed worth giving the dealer a call. First Thing We Did Wrong: The dealer was on the opposite side of the country. We called him anyway and did a FaceTime tour of the RV. It was everything we wanted. He said that the people who bought it originally picked it up at the factory and drove it to Jacksonville, Florida, only to discover that it was too small for them (he mentioned that they were of ‘size’) - they traded the Escape for something larger. We thanked the salesman for his time but said it was out of our budget, to which he replied, “Make me an offer . . . “ Embarrassed, I divulged that all we could afford was almost 20% less than he was asking. He said, “Sold.” My wife and I collectively gulped. Second Thing We Did Wrong: Bought an RV without looking at it (in person). The logistics were going to be tough as November is a busy month for us (our youngest daughter is getting married in November plus 18 people for Thanksgiving dinner at our house). The dealer said, “No problem, pay for it now and pick it up in December.” But we really didn’t want to make a Third Thing We Did Wrong: Sending a significant percentage of our meager savings to someone we had only met on the internet. Okay, we’ll just drop everything we’re doing (or were supposed to be doing) and go pick up our new-to-us trailer that’s 2,800 miles away. Smart.

But, first I have to get our 8-year old Kia ready to tow a 2,800-pound trailer. I research and install a trailer hitch and brake controller. I discover a suspension support device and decide that it’s essential and install it also. I run the wires for the 7-pin connector and install a wiring harness. Before we leave, I’m confident that we’ll have taillights, turn signals and brake lights but I have no idea if the trailer brakes will work.

It takes us 36 hours of driving to get to Jacksonville, we grab a few hours of sleep and show up at the dealership. There sits our newest prize possession, gleaming, looking like new. A technician walks us through everything, proving everything works and educating us on how to use it. There were a few adjustments to be made but he did them in minutes. We backed the Kia up to the trailer and connected it: Everything works! Taking care of the paperwork is quick and they wave us goodbye.

For our first night out, we picked a state park that was about an hour’s drive from the dealership. We were exhausted and excited. Setting up our camp for the first time was interesting but not difficult. This was a whole new level of camping! No ice chest - we now have a refrigerator! A regular mattress - no inflating an air mattress! Air conditioning! A bathroom! We were giddy with the comforts of our new portable home.

After a good night’s sleep, we were up early and got back underway. I found that the Kia seemed to run better if I left it in fifth gear and kept it at 60 miles per hour although I would frequently have to downshift for an overpass or to climb a grade. The only grade where I had to downshift into third gear was to climb over the Laguna Mountains, which is a 7% grade (but, even in third gear, I was able to keep the speed to 45 miles per hour and the intake manifold vacuum was high). We routinely did 500-600-mile days (one night we arrived at the campground after dark and had to back into our assigned space - not easy but didn’t take too long). I calculated our fuel consumption to be about 15 miles per gallon (15.7 liters per 100 kilometers for my Canadian friends) which isn’t great but I didn’t have to spend US$80,000 for a new truck. Besides Florida, we camped in Alabama, two different places in Texas and once in Arizona before we got home. Nothing broke. My wife and I are still best friends. Now, no more goofing off! We need to get to work!

Safe travels, everyone.
I have been doing research now for a few months. I have a 2019 Honda Pilot AWD with only 26k on it, so don't want to get a new TV. I have done lots of research on with the dealer installed tow system with a tran cooler, I should be able to tow uptown 5k lbs. I was looking into the 19 but that would put us close to the 5k. I have found many people on the Pilot forum that do It and said it was fine, but I am new to towing and travel trailers, so think I am going to go with the 17 if I go with Escape. Casita has a similar layout but a bit cheaper, and I can go and pick it up, so am weighing my options. I hope to decide soon... would love to see some pics of the inside of the trailer. How are you liking it?
 
Both Casita and Escape have 'ambassador' programs, arranging with local owners for you to see one of their trailers in person. I strongly recommend you take advantage of those options. Actually getting inside can make a big difference. Just call the sales people at the respective factories and they'll set you up.
 
Both Casita and Escape have 'ambassador' programs, arranging with local owners for you to see one of their trailers in person. I strongly recommend you take advantage of those options. Actually getting inside can make a big difference. Just call the sales people at the respective factories and they'll set you up.
Yes, I have already seen two Escapes, 17 and 19. Just saw a Scamp and was not impressed. Just connected with a Casita owner and hope to see it this week.
 
The dealer said, “No problem, pay for it now and pick it up in December.” But we really didn’t want to make a Third Thing We Did Wrong: Sending a significant percentage of our meager savings to someone we had only met on the internet. Okay, we’ll just drop everything we’re doing (or were supposed to be doing) and go pick up our new-to-us trailer that’s 2,800 miles away. Smart.
I'd say that you did just about everything right. You would've had the option to walk away if you arrived and there was something major wrong with the trailer. You might've been able to have a forum member in that area drive by the dealership and put eye's on the trailer. Not an inspection mind you, but just to verify that there is an E17 sitting there on the lot and that it appeared to be very clean. If I was driving that far I might've wanted a professional inspection, of course as new as that trailer is there shouldn't be much of anything wrong with it.

We bought our 2019 E19 a couple years ago and I offered a $500 deposit and I told the seller what time frame I could pick the trailer up and also that if I wasn't there within that time frame he could keep the deposit. The seller wanted a larger deposit to hold the trailer but I told him that $500 was the most I was willing to lose in a scam. I also told him that if I arrived and inspected the trailer and something was drastically wrong that we'd be backing out of the purchase. I sent him an email outlining the terms we agreed to over the phone and waited for him to send an acceptance response and then I sent him $500 through Zelle. It was a couple of weekends before my wife and I could drive to Santa Fe, NM to pick it up, but much like your experience, everything went to plan for us...

Our drive to buy our trailer was only 600mi, but I'd have been very sad if I wasted a full weekend driving to buy a trailer with issues that forced us to walk away from it. I can only imagine driving 2800miles and the anxiety I'd have driving that far to purchase a used trailer, once again it was fairly new so your risk was minimal.
 
I have been doing research now for a few months. I have a 2019 Honda Pilot AWD with only 26k on it, so don't want to get a new TV. I have done lots of research on with the dealer installed tow system with a tran cooler, I should be able to tow uptown 5k lbs. I was looking into the 19 but that would put us close to the 5k. I have found many people on the Pilot forum that do It and said it was fine, but I am new to towing and travel trailers, so think I am going to go with the 17 if I go with Escape. Casita has a similar layout but a bit cheaper, and I can go and pick it up, so am weighing my options. I hope to decide soon... would love to see some pics of the inside of the trailer. How are you liking it?
Penwia-
Sorry, no photos (yet) of the interior of our 17B but we are very happy with it. Our Kia Sorento tows it adequately but I don't go over 60mph (96.5kph) and your Honda Pilot should be about the same (285hp for the Pilot and 290 for the Kia). The Casita trailer is a bit lighter than the Escape but I think the fit and finish on the Escape is excellent. Good luck and safe travels!
 
Penwia-
Sorry, no photos (yet) of the interior of our 17B but we are very happy with it. Our Kia Sorento tows it adequately but I don't go over 60mph (96.5kph) and your Honda Pilot should be about the same (285hp for the Pilot and 290 for the Kia). The Casita trailer is a bit lighter than the Escape but I think the fit and finish on the Escape is excellent. Good luck and safe travels!
FYI, I placed my downpayment on an inventory 17b F1 last week. Finalizing some options and hope to have it by the end of the year.
 
Penwia-
Sorry, no photos (yet) of the interior of our 17B but we are very happy with it. Our Kia Sorento tows it adequately but I don't go over 60mph (96.5kph) and your Honda Pilot should be about the same (285hp for the Pilot and 290 for the Kia). The Casita trailer is a bit lighter than the Escape but I think the fit and finish on the Escape is excellent. Good luck and safe travels!

I think the Casita 17 is also a fair bit smaller inside than an Escape 17 as the Escape is somewhat wider. the 'shag carpet' insulation/liner on the Casita isn't nearly as effective as what Escape uses.. I do recommend getting the Escape with the extra insulation option, at least if thats still an option (it might be standard now, I haven't kept up). Our casita had single layer clear windows, while our escape has DARK tinTed double pane windows, those keep a LOT of cold OR heat 'out'. Our Casita had venetian style window shades, while the Escape has pleated window shades, which I think are both much nicer, and also keep out much more light when they are pulled down
 
I think the Casita 17 is also a fair bit smaller inside than an Escape 17 as the Escape is somewhat wider. the 'shag carpet' insulation/liner on the Casita isn't nearly as effective as what Escape uses.. I do recommend getting the Escape with the extra insulation option, at least if thats still an option (it might be standard now, I haven't kept up). Our casita had single layer clear windows, while our escape has DARK tinTed double pane windows, those keep a LOT of cold OR heat 'out'. Our Casita had venetian style window shades, while the Escape has pleated window shades, which I think are both much nicer, and also keep out much more light when they are pulled down
Sadly I never got to see a Casita, I requested twice on the website that I was interested in seeing one. A guy finally reached out and got a name and email of someone near me. I messaged the ambassador and never got back to me. I also joined their forum, and found a woman even closer who had one, but she never responded to my request to see hers either. That, to me was a sign.... I was meant to get an Escape!!! I did get to see a 2024 Scamp Deluxe, which was surprisingly nice, but I could not get over the carpeted ceiling, and it was a 16' and you felt it. I was introduced to two Escape Ambassador's, a 17 owner and a 19 owner. Both Elizabeth and Gary have been so helpful. I am still reaching out for advice as I finalize my Escape. This community is amazing! I have no doubt I made the right decision.
 
years ago, when we had a Casita 16, we went to a regional all FG 'rally' in King City, CA, and got to see a LOT of trailers on the 'open house' day. My wife fell in love with the E21 Classic the minute she set foot in it and I had to concur. We saw Olivers, Bigfoots, a bunch of Casitas and Scamps, and several different size Escapes that day. We did like the big Bigfoot with the walkaround queen front bed setup, but that thing requires a F250/F350 class truck which we didn't think we wanted. funny thing is, after getting the Escape 21 and realizing it was a bit much for our Tacoma 4x4 on long haul runs, we ended up with a F250 diesel 4x4 for a few years, but we since downsized to an Expedition 4x4 and its perfect
 
years ago, when we had a Casita 16, we went to a regional all FG 'rally' in King City, CA, and got to see a LOT of trailers on the 'open house' day. My wife fell in love with the E21 Classic the minute she set foot in it and I had to concur. We saw Olivers, Bigfoots, a bunch of Casitas and Scamps, and several different size Escapes that day. We did like the big Bigfoot with the walkaround queen front bed setup, but that thing requires a F250/F350 class truck which we didn't think we wanted. funny thing is, after getting the Escape 21 and realizing it was a bit much for our Tacoma 4x4 on long haul runs, we ended up with a F250 diesel 4x4 for a few years, but we since downsized to an Expedition 4x4 and its perfect
Yea, I like the 21, I really liked the 19, and almost went with it, but I am new to towing and camping in a TT, we also have a Honda Pilot AWD, that is paid for so decided that the 17 would be a great entry level, and we can always trade up in a few years.
 

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