Lagun Replacement with EZ-Reach

[Escapeesinmo]

Donny A - Thank you so much! Based on your post, we ordered our E23 without any table and installed the EZ Reach table mount instead. You provided a perfect solution for us and saved us so much "trial and error" frustration.

Penny, did you go with the 12" or 16" arm and are you happy with your choice?

 

[OneCentHillman]

Penny, did you go with the 12" or 16" arm and are you happy with your choice?

We had no first-hand knowledge or experience with this so ordered the 16" arm, which worked out OK. However, after a month of using it, we decided to order the 12", which worked out much better for us. The 16" had a wider arc when spinning the table and it turned out that tighter arc we got with the 12" was more convenient for us. Think it likely depends on the size of your table top. Our top measures 21.5"x14" folded closed and 21.5" x 28" open.

 

[Carmel Clown]

I assume it isn't necessary to reinforce the bench wall with the Escape-provided brackets. I know they no longer install the lagun tables. Wonder if they still sell the brackets. A

 

[brroberts]

Lots of shelf brackets are ayailable that would do the same.

 

[jack sparrow]

Hey Carmel Clown,

Here are some photos of my setup / bracing that I did for the Lagun system that I did in the rear of my "U" shaped dinette area on my Escape 21 NE. Made my braces out of 3/4" plywood and some 1x2 scrap. This is one of 3 mounts that I have in my dinette area. Like to have the option to move things around to fit my needs. The braces are glued and screwed together, then mounted to floor and wall panel that is also reinforced with 3/4" plywood. This is just my way and is not for everyone.

This might give you an idea or two.

Cheers to ya......... and Happy Trails.......... Jack

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[OneCentHillman]

I assume it isn't necessary to reinforce the bench wall with the Escape-provided brackets. I know they no longer install the lagun tables. Wonder if they still sell the brackets. A

Don't know how Escape installs the EZ Reach table. Ours was after-market. Just inserted a 1/2" thick piece of ply-wood on the inside of the bench. Pretty clean and easy install. EZ Reach system is quite secure.

 

[Carmel Clown]

Don't know how Escape installs the EZ Reach table. Ours was after-market. Just inserted a 1/2" thick piece of ply-wood on the inside of the bench. Pretty clean and easy install. EZ Reach system is quite secure.

Really? All the others that I have seen are also attached to the floor. Do the bolts show. in the DR area? Would bolts be more secure than screws?

 

[LRL]

Lots of shelf brackets are ayailable that would do the same.

It' not really the shelf bracket that's the problem. It's where the lagun arms join one another... they have lots of give in the plastic connections. EZ reach is sturdier. I made the change recently and can attest to that.

 

[brroberts]

I have a Lagun with the plastic. I was referring to post 23 in post 24 where the bracket availability was questioned. If my Lagun ever fails, I’ll make the switch also, but so far it shows no signs of failing. I wish it was sturdier, but much prefer the cantilevered position. It was the only such option I found at the time.

 

[OneCentHillman]

Really? All the others that I have seen are also attached to the floor. Do the bolts show. in the DR area? Would bolts be more secure than screws?

Yes, really. Per instructions from EZ Reach, which are available on their website, "We recommend bolt-thru and plywood backer for cabinet mounting".
A Lagun system may/may not require more extensive support. I wouldn't know. This post was about EZ Reach and that is all I can speak to.
We followed the EZ Reach instructions and it is quite secure. Not so much as a tiny wiggle or wobble.

Posting a photo of it from the dinette side.

Link for EZ Reach Installation Instructions.

https://ez-reach.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/EZ-Reach_Installation_Instructions.pdf

 

[Carmel Clown]

Yes, really. Per instructions from EZ Reach, which are available on their website, "We recommend bolt-thru and plywood backer for cabinet mounting".
A Lagun system may/may not require more extensive support. I wouldn't know. This post was about EZ Reach and that is all I can speak to.
We followed the EZ Reach instructions and it is quite secure. Not so much as a tiny wiggle or wobble.

Posting a photo of it from the dinette side.

Link for EZ Reach Installation Instructions.

https://ez-reach.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/EZ-Reach_Installation_Instructions.pdf

Thanks a lot. I've wanted to do this for a long time but wasn't confident enough to drill into the floor.

 

[iamunique127]

Perhaps the E23’ dinette seat is constructed differently than the other models making just the plywood an adequate support, I’m not sure.

The reason the other types of tables in other models of Escapes are bolted to the floor is for the support. If there is not some sort of support added, like Jack’s top cross piece or a bracket to the floor, the whole table is only supported by the thin wall material. The plywood backer may add some support but there is a lot of table and hardware hanging off what is still depending upon the 1/8” back wall of the dinette seat.

 

[OneCentHillman]

The question was not about other types of tables, it was about the EZ-Reach table.
The dinette seat in our E23 appears to be constructed in a similar manner to our E19.
The manner of installation followed EZ-Reach instructions (provided above) and has resulted in a very secure installation.
This is my knowledge from our first-hand experience with the EZ-Reach table installation. If someone wants to tack on additional framework, nothing says you can't, but why make it more complex than necessary if following the EZ-Reach instructions provides a strong, secure installation? If there is concern, perhaps a quick call to EZ-Reach would help.

Contact - Cass Hudson Co. EZ-Reach System

ez-reach.com

 

[Carmel Clown]

The question was not about other types of tables, it was about the EZ-Reach table.
The dinette seat in our E23 appears to be constructed in a similar manner to our E19.
The manner of installation followed EZ-Reach instructions (provided above) and has resulted in a very secure installation.
This is my knowledge from our first-hand experience with the EZ-Reach table installation. If someone wants to tack on additional framework, nothing says you can't, but why make it more complex than necessary if following the EZ-Reach instructions provides a strong, secure installation? If there is concern, perhaps a quick call to EZ-Reach would help.

Contact - Cass Hudson Co. EZ-Reach System

ez-reach.com

Oh, I should have asked, did you use your standard ETI table or did you buy a smaller table from EZ-Reach? Sorry to be such a pain. I'm wanting to use the standard ETI table.

 

[Escapeesinmo]

Oh, I should have asked, did you use your standard ETI table or did you buy a smaller table from EZ-Reach? Sorry to be such a pain. I'm wanting to use the standard ETI table.

You can use whatever you table you like, so long as the EZ-Reach can hold it.

 

[OneCentHillman]

Oh, I should have asked, did you use your standard ETI table or did you buy a smaller table from EZ-Reach? Sorry to be such a pain. I'm wanting to use the standard ETI table.

You appear to have a 5.0? I have a 23 and used to own a 19. I don't know anything about the table in a 5.0, so cannot answer a question with regard to your ETI table.
I provided details about the tabletop I used in a previous post in this thread, as well as a link to said tabletop in another post in this thread, if you would like to go back and review those posts for the information.
Might I suggest that questions regarding your specific needs vis-à-vis the EZ-Reach system and the ETI 5.0 table might best be answered by contacting EZ-Reach directly.

 

[rbryan4]

Our solution to the bit of droop using the Lagun with the factory table was to build a custom table out of walnut plywood with walnut trim. It’s almost the same size as the factory table but it’s much lighter and stronger, and looks so much better than the Formica. But I like that there’s a more sturdy alternative to the Lagun mount.

 

[Mike G]

This thread reminds me of the homebrew swiveling table I MacGuyver'd for a previous SOB trailer, more than 10 years ago.

A piece of galvanized pipe, a couple of pipe brackets to hold things upright, a round bracket screwed onto the end of the pipe, a cutting board, and some screws. The entire assembly could be pulled upward out of the curved brackets when desired.

 

[jontom]

Converted our 2016 21C to U shape dinette with Lagun table. First trip and couldn't be more pleased. Added collapsable shelf to store essentials that would normally be kept on table. It's almost like we added an additional room. Much more relaxing area to use when not eating plus even more comfortable eating arrangement for the two of us. Easily accessible from all sides.

 

[Carmel Clown]

Nice. I have a few questions. I see that you used a bracket to attach the top of the “leg support” to the bottom of the new bench. Did you also screw down the new bench to the bed “rails”? Why did you put the table off center? What size is the table? Is it still possible to make a bed if necessary? And finally, what depth is the board you used for the bench. It looks like a premade shelf board, is it? Thanks.