Let local RV tech do the lithium?

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Knocking around the idea of ordering the 5.0 with just the two six volt batteries included, plus wiring for solar and lithium.

Then getting a local RV tech to do a conversion when I want to go lithium and related inverter, etc. Just the lithium batteries alone on my build seem very high priced.

Thinking is the local guy can do the conversion cheaper. I've used him once before and was very impressed with his work on another issue with my previous trailer.

Anyone does something similar? I'm not doing it myself, just don't have the want to.
 
I did the lithium myself, but that said, I’ve used a handyman for a number of things I either found too challenging or time consuming. Nothing like a good handyman or RV tech. :thumb:
 
Knocking around the idea of ordering the 5.0 with just the two six volt batteries included, plus wiring for solar and lithium.

Then getting a local RV tech to do a conversion when I want to go lithium and related inverter, etc. Just the lithium batteries alone on my build seem very high priced.

Thinking is the local guy can do the conversion cheaper. I've used him once before and was very impressed with his work on another issue with my previous trailer.

Anyone does something similar? I'm not doing it myself, just don't have the want to.

You might want to ask your guy in advance if that is something he can/would do and maybe get some kind of estimate of cost. You may be surprised at the cost.
 
Personally if I were setting up my trailer as you suggest then what I'd select is a stripped down single solar panel option with a single basic lead acid battery. You can switch out the single lead acid battery yourself with a new 100AH LiFePO4 battery. I bought the LiTime 100AH trolling motor version last spring for $260. With a single 100AH lithium battery you have nearly as many usable AH's as the dual lead acid option.

I'm not sure what all you get with the $485 "Lithium ready" option. I'd hope for that price it includes a quality DC to DC charger, but you will not necessarily need one if you get the solar panel. I wouldn't buy that option personally. Many folks have disconnected the 12V charge wire from the tow vehicle and let the solar panel handle charging duties. Unless you're planning to run an evaporative fridge on DC power when traveling the 200W solar panel should take care of charging the battery for you during the day when on the road.

If I'm not mistaken ETI is already installing a lithium ready WFCO converter in all new builds, so that should take care of shore power charging issues for your lithium battery swap.
 
Personally if I were setting up my trailer as you suggest then what I'd select is a stripped down single solar panel option with a single basic lead acid battery.

Basically that's what I did only I didn't even get the solar panel. The single FLA battery is adequate for use while you sort out what you want to do.

Ron
 
Personally if I were setting up my trailer as you suggest then what I'd select is a stripped down single solar panel option with a single basic lead acid battery. You can switch out the single lead acid battery yourself with a new 100AH LiFePO4 battery. I bought the LiTime 100AH trolling motor version last spring for $260. With a single 100AH lithium battery you have nearly as many usable AH's as the dual lead acid option.

I did the same. Bought two LiTime 50ah batteries to hook up in series to replace my lead acids for my bass boat trolling motor. Total under $300. I know that is not a direct comparison, but geez look at the current options on a custom build.

*CHOOSE ONE BATTERY OPTION ONLY

DUAL 6V LEAD-ACID BATTERIES (include 2 batteries)
$280
LITHIUM ION BATTERY (100Ah) Qty 1
$1565
LITHIUM ION BATTERY (100Ah) Qty 2
$2790
LITHIUM ION BATTERY (100Ah) Qty 4
$4925
LITHIUM BATTERY READY
$485
 
So they no longer even offer the single Group 31 battery?

Seems a shame to order two 6V batteries for $280 with the intention of not using them for any length of time. But then looking at those prices I'm pretty sure that a person could find lithium batteries and solar panels for a heck of a lot less and come out ahead price wise.

Ron
 
The lead acid battery comes standard, so it's not listed in the options list.


I guess my way of thinking is to maximize the money spent with Escape versus using your local tech. It seems to me that just buying the single 200W panel option which includes an MPPT controller gets you the toughest part of the installation (the rooftop panel) done by the factory.

That solar option costed what $1200 or so? Then you just drop your much cheaper lithium battery in and change the charge profile of the MPPT to lithium and all of the new WFCO chargers are supposed to change to the lithium charge profile automatically once it senses the batt change. So essentially you're getting a complete lithium system for about $1600 if you factor in $300 for a LiTime 100AH 12V battery. Need more storage? Then add a 2nd 100AH battery and you're still < $2k. If you find out that you need a DC to DC charger then have a local RV tech install that, maybe $100 - $125 in labor + the cost of the DC to DC unit you choose to purchase.

This seems to me a much more prudent method for a non-DIY'er to get a high capacity lithium system installed and having the factory perform part of the work. I just do not see you saving that much money using local labor if you have to purchase the solar prewire and lithium prep options from Escape.
 
Sounds like a good plan letting the factory do the most labor intensive part. I'll put that plan in my build notes.

Thanks for that detailed follow-up.
 
$1135 for the solar panel and controller. That’s a given for a clean install. $485 for lithium ready. You should confirm it comes with a dc/dc charger. You would then have 1 lead acid battery. You can change that out for a lithium battery. Versus buying 1 installed lithium battery from the factory for $1565. $1080 difference minus the cost for you to buy the lithium battery. Perhaps $500-600 savings. For me, given the total cost of the trailer I wouldn’t bother with DIY. I would add, I am pretty much a DIY type, but not electrical! I don’t know if I would trust a RV/ handyman type to work on my brand new $40,000-50,000 trailer. Just my thoughts.
 
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I believe ETI's policy has been for some time now that if yiu order solar you have to have at least the Dual 6V LA batteries. Of course that wasn't always the case, however generally speaking it isn't wise to to have a Group 27 or even Group 29 LA battery with solar because it doesn't allow even half the storage that the Dual 6'ers do. We found that out when we took another member's advice and upgraded the free Group 27 with the Group 29. Didn't work out for us and we're not huge energy users so after less than a year we went Dual 6V. One other thing that probably doesn't matter for those going lithium is that the Group 27 battery box is too small for Dual 6V batteries, however the Group 29 box allowed our two 6V batteries to fit.

In this case perhaps ETI might allow an exception- or you could just go with the Dual 6V and see how it goes or sell them immediately.
 
We're currently in the middle of our build process and going through all of these same questions right now. Leaning towards the 1 lithium battery option with solar, mainly because so many other things are wired and installed by ETI at the factory at the same time. We look forward to doing a lot of mods ourselves, but electrical is not our forte.

Question: How hard is it to add a 2nd lithium battery right away, and does anyone know what brand ETI is currently installing?
 
We're currently in the middle of our build process and going through all of these same questions right now. Leaning towards the 1 lithium battery option with solar, mainly because so many other things are wired and installed by ETI at the factory at the same time. We look forward to doing a lot of mods ourselves, but electrical is not our forte.

Question: How hard is it to add a 2nd lithium battery right away, and does anyone know what brand ETI is currently installing?

you need mount the 2nd battery next to the first, I don't know how or where ETI would mount a single Lithium.

You need two short jumpers to connect the + terminal to the + terminal, and the - to the minus. and you should move the + cable from the rest of the trailer to the other plus.
 

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We're currently in the middle of our build process and going through all of these same questions right now. Leaning towards the 1 lithium battery option with solar, mainly because so many other things are wired and installed by ETI at the factory at the same time. We look forward to doing a lot of mods ourselves, but electrical is not our forte.

Question: How hard is it to add a 2nd lithium battery right away, and does anyone know what brand ETI is currently installing?
ETI has Been installing HubLion batteries and as far as I know they still do. You should check with them to make sure. I don't know if they will install a different brand but you're better of starting with batteries of the same age and same brand if possible. I have two HubLion batteries and so far they have been great but they are expensive through ETI and I haven't seen them for sale in the US.
 

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We did the "Lithium Ready" option two years ago when we ordered our 21C. We had a 19 with the standard dual 6V 220Ah and it worked well, but we were often pushing well past the 50-percent discharge per night and the stock "GoPro" charge controller we had really didn't support Lithium all that well so to convert the 19 would have involved a bit more expense in addition to the batteries.
The Lithium Ready package on our 21C seems to have worked out well. We went ahead and had Escape install two solar panels, and with the package they include the Victron charge controller which is a nice setup. Really, the only thing we found overpriced from Escape were the batteries themselves. If I were to do this again, I would order our batteries from either "Current Connected" or "Renology". Current Connected used to add a few years to the manufacturers warranty, but no longer do. However they do provide excellent customer support. I would not recommend doing what I did, which was ordering SOK batteries direct from the SOK USA website. We had an issue with ours and it was just a real hassle working with the factory rep. We finally got the issues resolved (we think) with our SOK's as the manufacturer installed a new BMS, but it was a real hassle. Next time we need batteries it will be through Current Connected. I did call and speak with them and they are very nice over the phone and knowledgeable.
There are two other issues I should point out if you go the route we did. First, when you get your batteries make sure you charge them to 100-percent prior to installing in the trailer. Second, if you are going to run two in parallel, ensure you follow John from Santa Cruise's wiring diagram. This will ensure that as you draw power you pull from both batteries and not the one closest to the main connection first. We did not do that initially and it may have contributed to some of the battery issues we had.

Overall, the batteries are easy to install. We used some "quicksilver metal corder bead drywall" from Home Depot. It is easy to cut with tin-snips and a 1/4-inch or 3/8-inch drywall screw (into the floor) will hold them in place on each side of the battery. I also purchased a tie-down strap for each one and used my drill to drill-out a slot on each of the corner bead pieces for the strap to loop through. There are probably better ways to do this as a drill bit is not the ideal choice for creating a "slot", but drilling several holes adjacent, then using tin-snips and finally a metal file I was able to easily create the correct sized slots for the straps. It works very well. (https://www.homedepot.com/p/ClarkDi...er-Metal-Corner-Bead-Drywall-741339/203171469)


I'm not sure what the current options are from Escape, I know they used to offer the option for "pre-wired" solar, the idea being you just have to buy and install your own solar panels. My concern with that is I would think you will need "exact" instruction from Escape about where the pre-wiring is located so you don't have to drill more than one hole to find/connect to them.

Good luck with your decisions!
 
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My 2 cent story
Ordered an option with 1 battery. It died after 3 years, not sure why. The supplier sent a new one without having me send back the dead one. All under warranty. By that time I already bought a 300ah battery for $560, along with the proper shunt for measuring consumption. The new battery is now inside under the bench but I could have put it into the stock outside box, too. The battery was that small.
Now, 300 covers all our needs, even electric kettle. We use instant pot and microwave all the time. 100ah just sits in my garage as a spare.
I tried selling it but I see ads like
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/d/seattle-chins-bluetooth-lifepo4-battery/7780464065.html
Which make you think whether what ETI charges for batteries is a fair price.
 
you need mount the 2nd battery next to the first, I don't know how or where ETI would mount a single Lithium.

You need two short jumpers to connect the + terminal to the + terminal, and the - to the minus. and you should move the + cable from the rest of the trailer to the other plus.




Thanks John! The diagram and directions are very helpful!!!
 
ETI has Been installing HubLion batteries and as far as I know they still do. You should check with them to make sure. I don't know if they will install a different brand but you're better of starting with batteries of the same age and same brand if possible. I have two HubLion batteries and so far they have been great but they are expensive through ETI and I haven't seen them for sale in the US.


Thanks! Will definitely ask which batteries ETI is using.
 
My 2 cent story
Ordered an option with 1 battery. It died after 3 years, not sure why. The supplier sent a new one without having me send back the dead one. All under warranty. By that time I already bought a 300ah battery for $560, along with the proper shunt for measuring consumption. The new battery is now inside under the bench but I could have put it into the stock outside box, too. The battery was that small.
Now, 300 covers all our needs, even electric kettle. We use instant pot and microwave all the time. 100ah just sits in my garage as a spare.
I tried selling it but I see ads like
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/d/seattle-chins-bluetooth-lifepo4-battery/7780464065.html
Which make you think whether what ETI charges for batteries is a fair price.


Thanks! Installing just one 300ah battery sounds like a great idea. We don't know enough to ask what any draw-backs might be.
Yes, we do wonder why the Lithiums are so expensive from ETI. Seems rather excessive, so will definitely ask what brand they're using.
 

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