New to the forum and dreaming of an Escape 19

[MarioS]

Hello folks, recently retired, I'm now shopping for a trailer and an EV pickup truck!

Pickup hasn't been identified yet but current no 1 is the Silverado EV, just waiting autumn for the arrival of the Sierra EV, the Ram REV and the announcement of the 2025 Ford Ligthning to make sure my choice is the right one!

For the trailer, well I have only one no 1 and it's the Escape 19. I shopped quite a bit, also considered seriously the SafariCondo Alto, the R-Pod 171 and the Bigfoot 17 but ultimately none ticks all my boxes like the Escape 19.

I still have a few questions that maybe the community here could help. If I should ask in another discussion thread don't hesitate to let me know.

1- The urethane foam Escape offers on option is really interesting for me (noise and temp insulation) however at the same time I'm puzzled by the fact that nothing covers it. Where I live the building code does not allow urethane foam uncovered by a fire retardant. So with fire and BBQ in the campgrounds, I don't understand that it couldn't be at least a bit dangerous. Any of you have knowledge or opinion on this?

2- Could not find photos of the new poly windows they offer. Those are really nice but I would really like to see them on an Escape, I'm sure some of you have ordered it with those, a quick picture would be appreciated. ;D

Thanks for any info you can provide.

 

[Selkirk]

For the trailer, well I have only one no 1 and it's the Escape 19. I shopped quite a bit, also considered seriously the SafariCondo Alto, the R-Pod 171 and the Bigfoot 17 but ultimately none ticks all my boxes like the Escape 19.

The SafariCondo Alto and Bigfoot were on my short list as well (Rpod....not so much). I think both brands are very strong competitors to ETI's offering. However, like yourself, I found the E19 to best fit my requirements for a trailer. I have no regrets after two seasons of ownership.

The urethane foam Escape offers on option is really interesting for me (noise and temp insulation) however at the same time I'm puzzled by the fact that nothing covers it. Where I live the building code does not allow urethane foam uncovered by a fire retardant. So with fire and BBQ in the campgrounds, I don't understand that it couldn't be at least a bit dangerous. Any of you have knowledge or opinion on this?

I have the spray-foam insulation option....but never gave thought as to flammability. The exposed areas are coated with black paint. It might be worth asking ETI directly about its fire resistant properties.

I use my trailer in the shoulder seasons and appreciate the benefits that the spray foam insulation provides. The downside is that the insulation complicates any future plumbing/electrical repairs which require access to the underside components. A forum search will yield numerous posts which debate the pros and cons.

Could not find photos of the new poly windows they offer. Those are really nice but I would really like to see them on an Escape, I'm sure some of you have ordered it with those, a quick picture would be appreciated.

Acrylic windows are a very new option on the 17/19/21/5.0. I'm am unsure if any photos yet exist of them installed on these models. Again, it might be worthwhile asking ETI directly. They were quick to supply me with photos of colours/options during the configuration process not readily found in their online marketing materials. Having said that, I believe acrylic windows are standard on the 23. Numerous photos/videos exist of that model....

Best of luck on your search for information..

 

[iamunique127]

We have the spray foam insulation and like Selkirk above, ours came painted black from the factory.

I can't comment on the flammability but I agree that it could complicate underbody repairs somewhat. I had to cut away some foam to get at some bolts when I did work on my suspension last year. It cut very easily with a pocket knife and it was easy to trim away accurately where needed. To replace what I trimmed away I just applied some spray foam from a can. It adhered well, matches the factory foam and with it painted black I can't tell it from the rest. Birds or something have picked at the underbody spray foam in places so I also refill those small holes with canned foam and paint it.

All that to say that it may be a complication but so far it has been a minor one for me. If larger jobs arise it would be a bit of a pain but workable.

We would definitely get the spray foam again for all its advantages.

 

[brroberts]

Not all of my foam is painted, but most is. Water based paints and spray on flame retardant chemicals are available if it concerns you. I’ve never heard of an Escape fire due to foam and it’s been an option since at least 2011 or 12. I like the foam because we camp when it’s cold and still want running water.

 

[MarioS]

Wow thanks a lot guys, much more info on the spray foam than I was expecting.

I'm not really concerned about it taking fire but since it's something that is in the building code in my province I'm a bit surprised it used this way.

Thanks for letting me know it's an option since 2011, at least that means it probably has not caused any problematic case of insurance or certification.

I'll definitely get that option cause like all of you, I find the negatives about maintenance to be minimal compared to the advantages on insulation.

 

[BravoDeltaRomeo]

Enjoy.

We picked up a used 2021 19 in June of this year. You are in for a treat.

It's an amazing camper and my wife are amazed how much much we love it. We knew it was going to be nice, but it has exceeded out expectations, which is hard to do with the quality of most items on the market these days.

 

[salmo7000]

We have the spray foam insulation and like Selkirk above, ours came painted black from the factory.

I can't comment on the flammability but I agree that it could complicate underbody repairs somewhat. I had to cut away some foam to get at some bolts when I did work on my suspension last year. It cut very easily with a pocket knife and it was easy to trim away accurately where needed. To replace what I trimmed away I just applied some spray foam from a can. It adhered well, matches the factory foam and with it painted black I can't tell it from the rest. Birds or something have picked at the underbody spray foam in places so I also refill those small holes with canned foam and paint it.

All that to say that it may be a complication but so far it has been a minor one for me. If larger jobs arise it would be a bit of a pain but workable.

We would definitely get the spray foam again for all its advantages.

What kind of spray foam do you use, the same kind that seals gaps around windows, or something else?? The foam under my 19 has been worn away in a few spots, from road debris, and I’d like to shore it up. Thanks!!

 

[iamunique127]

What kind of spray foam do you use, the same kind that seals gaps around windows, or something else?? The foam under my 19 has been worn away in a few spots, from road debris, and I’d like to shore it up. Thanks!!

Depending on what I have open at the time, I use the window and door type or the large gap type. Both have worked perfectly.
Obviously, let it cure before painting.

 

[NoSOD]

Hello folks, recently retired, I'm now shopping for a trailer and an EV pickup truck!

Pickup hasn't been identified yet but current no 1 is the Silverado EV, just waiting autumn for the arrival of the Sierra EV, the Ram REV and the announcement of the 2025 Ford Ligthning to make sure my choice is the right one!

For the trailer, well I have only one no 1 and it's the Escape 19. I shopped quite a bit, also considered seriously the SafariCondo Alto, the R-Pod 171 and the Bigfoot 17 but ultimately none ticks all my boxes like the Escape 19.

I still have a few questions that maybe the community here could help. If I should ask in another discussion thread don't hesitate to let me know.

1- The urethane foam Escape offers on option is really interesting for me (noise and temp insulation) however at the same time I'm puzzled by the fact that nothing covers it. Where I live the building code does not allow urethane foam uncovered by a fire retardant. So with fire and BBQ in the campgrounds, I don't understand that it couldn't be at least a bit dangerous. Any of you have knowledge or opinion on this?

2- Could not find photos of the new poly windows they offer. Those are really nice but I would really like to see them on an Escape, I'm sure some of you have ordered it with those, a quick picture would be appreciated. ;D

Thanks for any info you can provide.

There was a recent thread here about EV tow vehicles: search "Plugging in"
I personally wouldn't get an EV pickup as a tow vehicle just yet. A hybrid or plain gas pickup would avoid many of the issues with range and the availability and configuration of charging stations.

 

[MarioS]

There was a recent thread here about EV tow vehicles: search "Plugging in"
I personally wouldn't get an EV pickup as a tow vehicle just yet. A hybrid or plain gas pickup would avoid many of the issues with range and the availability and configuration of charging stations.

Thanks, I've researched the subject quite a bit in all sorts of EV forums. Basically you need to be very patient, never in a hurry, a master at planning and a master at using various iPhone apps, I tick all those boxes!

The Siverado EV will provide 400+ km (250+ miles) of range with a small and light trailer like the Escape 19. The Ford Lightning is quite a bit less and the reason I'm not considering it. The new RAM REV should give even more range than the Silverado. At 400+ km of range that is enough for me, I appreciate a break even before that, not counting that my wife and my dog always need to stop before that for all sorts of reasons! ;D

 

[GinoandLinda]

Welcome! So glad you crossed the Rpod off your list. The build quality isn't even close to the Alto, Bigfoot or Escape.

We also have the spray foam and, like others, appreciate the insulation during colder campouts. Never gave it a second thought about flammability, but never have an open flame near it either.

Sounds like you are doing your homework on the EV. Personally, I have yet to see an EV truck towing a camper in the real world. I personally would not be comfortable with that choice at this time.

 

[MarioS]

Welcome! So glad you crossed the Rpod off your list. The build quality isn't even close to the Alto, Bigfoot or Escape.

We also have the spray foam and, like others, appreciate the insulation during colder campouts. Never gave it a second thought about flammability, but never have an open flame near it either.

Sounds like you are doing your homework on the EV. Personally, I have yet to see an EV truck towing a camper in the real world. I personally would not be comfortable with that choice at this time.

Yes, the Rpod was on my list basically because of it's price, at about half the price of the others you can't realistically expect the same build quality. Let's just say out of the "cheap" trailers, the Rpod 171 was the one I was attracted to but if finances permit, Escape is really the direction to go.

Where I live (Quebec), we have quite a strong EV ratio and this summer quite a few construction workers bought the Silverado EV that just came out, and they all have big RV trailers for their vacation. So lot's of useful info in the last few weeks coming from those guys.

 

[iamunique127]

Where I live (Quebec), we have quite a strong EV ratio and this summer quite a few construction workers bought the Silverado EV that just came out, and they all have big RV trailers for their vacation. So lot's of useful info in the last few weeks coming from those guys.

I applaud your adventurous spirit in considering an EV tow vehicle. Only you know what will work for you. Someone needs to make the initial moves to try new things. I admire early adopters. Please keep us apprised of what you decide to do and how it works out for you.

 

[AZCowboy]

Nooooo foam ever again

We love our 2019 Escape 19 and escape industries but……. We live in Arizona. It never freezes here like it does in Canada. We picked up a rock that destroyed our gray water tank and that’s where the trouble began. RV mechanic after mechanic charged a ton to get rid of the foam to “fix” the tank which they never did. Finally, in desperation, we met with jasmine at Escape Industries who shepherded us through repair and we are whole again and able to use our beloved E-19. To us, the foam is like a parachute if you don’t fly. It obviously has a use in some places but use it if you need I, knowing its pluses and minuses, but don’t get it “just because. Caveat emptor applies universally. Welcome to the club and enjoy.

 

[MarioS]

We love our 2019 Escape 19 and escape industries but……. We live in Arizona. It never freezes here like it does in Canada. We picked up a rock that destroyed our gray water tank and that’s where the trouble began. RV mechanic after mechanic charged a ton to get rid of the foam to “fix” the tank which they never did. Finally, in desperation, we met with jasmine at Escape Industries who shepherded us through repair and we are whole again and able to use our beloved E-19. To us, the foam is like a parachute if you don’t fly. It obviously has a use in some places but use it if you need I, knowing its pluses and minuses, but don’t get it “just because. Caveat emptor applies universally. Welcome to the club and enjoy.

Wise words

Wonder why the foam didn't protect the tank from the rock, was it a small one flying from the tires or you actually bumped the rock on an off pavement road?

 

[Cathleen Shea]

Hi Mario... welcome.

My wife and I are picking up our E19 in just about six weeks. Very excited, and certain it's the best product out there, at any price. We ordered the acrylic windows. Nancy's big on the push-out feature... open outward. We'll be able to have the windows open in mild rain.

Escape Trailer Industries has a YouTube channel. I highly recommend it for covering many of your questions. Here's a link to the unboxing of the acrylic windows:

https://youtu.be/_k9xDlpFFBk?si=MWXH4ylMJDCxG_UT

You're on the right track. Keep asking questions. I've found the forum invaluable in education, and peace of mind.

 

[Cathleen Shea]

I applaud your adventurous spirit in considering an EV tow vehicle. Only you know what will work for you. Someone needs to make the initial moves to try new things. I admire early adopters. Please keep us apprised of what you decide to do and how it works out for you.

A diplomat, right there.

I can't help but cringe at EVs for towing. All the articles I've read show that pulling a load reduces viable distance of the battery by half. I don't fancy every 100 miles or so needing to stop and charge for 20-60 minutes.

And I extrapolate from the use of my battery-powered tools vs. AC power tools. The better choice for big construction jobs has always been steady power. The batteries go dead quickly under heavy use.

I can't justify the expense for an EV vehicle against what my needs are. The biggest... no charging stations in the backcountry, where I intend to roam.

 

[Red-ESC]

Thanks, I've researched the subject quite a bit in all sorts of EV forums. Basically you need to be very patient, never in a hurry, a master at planning and a master at using various iPhone apps, I tick all those boxes!

The Siverado EV will provide 400+ km (250+ miles) of range with a small and light trailer like the Escape 19. The Ford Lightning is quite a bit less and the reason I'm not considering it. The new RAM REV should give even more range than the Silverado. At 400+ km of range that is enough for me, I appreciate a break even before that, not counting that my wife and my dog always need to stop before that for all sorts of reasons! ;D

EVs can tow trailers but the range is significantly reduced by the weight and added air resistances. Out west that is a problem as the mountain passes reduces EV tow range to 160km between charges. While there are charging stations available the amount of time spent charging drastically increases the overall travel time. Logistical issues also arise when towing in the mountains as you will need to charge early in some cases as the distance over the next Mountain pass will require a full charge due to the extreme and rapid elevation change. This adds to the number of stops and the overall time required.

Vancouver must be the Tesla capital of Canada. They are everywhere, as it makes sense in an urban environment where fuel costs are the highest in North America. On the other hand EV truck sales are very low here and I have yet to see one towing any type of trailer. EV tow vehicles may work well for you for short trips in the flatter east but if you plan on doing longer hauls you could be disappointed. My next TV will likely be a hybrid that will give me great local/city gas mileage but can tow all day.

 

[GinoandLinda]

Today I saw my first EV towing a trailer in the wild. It was a Rivian pulling a Taxa Cricket camper.

 

[rcsb]

I applaud your adventurous spirit in considering an EV tow vehicle. Only you know what will work for you. Someone needs to make the initial moves to try new things. I admire early adopters. Please keep us apprised of what you decide to do and how it works out for you.

I took some photos of what looks like a Tesla at a charging station being charged while it was towing a beautiful looking Bowlus trailer, both looked brand new. The charging station was located just outside the fence of the Portland-Woodburn RV park in Woodburn, Oregon last month.