Towing mileage - Escape 17 vs 19

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Hi - does anyone have a sense for how much worse their mileage is with a given tow vehicle on a 19 vs 17? I currently have a 17ft Casita and would like to upgrade to an Escape. My tow vehicle is an F150 (V6 EcoBoost TT 3.5L), I get about 13mpg pulling the Casita and I'm guessing that I would get about the same with the Escape 17. I would like the roominess of a 19 but I have no idea how the extra weight, height, width and road friction from 2 more tires (2 axles vs 1) might affect mileage.

Any thoughts or experiences would be much appreciated!
 
Interesting question. I should go back and look at gas consumption when we took our Casita on trips, vs. nowadays with our Escape 21C (quite a bit heavier, with two axles). My vague recollection is that we might have lost a mile or two per gallon with the Escape, but not more. In both cases we were towing with the same 2013 Ford Expedition V8.

I have this idea that auto engines get more efficient as they get older because internal wear means less resistance, but this may be just hokum. Maybe someone who has some actual data can answer your question. I actually record all the gas I buy, but never get around to analyzing the record.
 
You answered your own question...............

"I would like the roominess of a 19...."

The mileage/fuel cost difference is likely insignificant as compared to your comfort.

I tow a 19 with a Raptor F-150, so my mileage stats are not comparable to a "normal" F-150 EcoBoost, though in general, I get about a 30% decrease while towing.

Lightfoot, I am not.......................
 
Weight is less of a factor than frontal surface area of the trailer you are towing. I could only speculate, but the mileage between a E17 and an E19 would be minimal or nearly the same.
If you're that concerned about gas mileage, remember, you'll spend some tens of thousands of dollars for a rig, and a few dollars difference on MPG doesn't matter much, to me.
 
I actually record all the gas I buy, but never get around to analyzing the record.
I don't do either. :)
, remember, you'll spend some tens of thousands of dollars for a rig, and a few dollars difference on MPG doesn't matter much, to me.
I agree, whatever the slight difference may be it's not worth having one trailer wishing you had the size of another.

Ron
 
I get 13 mpg towing a 4300# wet 21C with a 2019 Expedition 3.5 EB. Same with 2021 Transit HR with same motor.
 
Weight is less of a factor than frontal surface area of the trailer you are towing.
FWIW, when comparing the E17 vs E19 I wholeheartedly agree with this (there is some point at which weight difference becomes a meaningful factor all other things being equal, but not likely in this case).
 
We just returned from a 1900 mile round trip from St Louis to Pensacola in our 21C and we averaged 13.4 MPG in our 2016 F150 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost.

No mountains but we were running pretty heavy.
 
I actually record all the gas I buy, but never get around to analyzing the record.
Earlier in my life I used to do all that recording and analysing because my parents did and it seemed like the thing to do. Then I stopped figuring out the mileage and decided it didn't make any difference to me whether I knew the mileage or not. So I stopped it all and it made my life and my trips more enjoyable.
Now mileage is never a consideration. I get what I get. If I didn't like it I'd change trucks but other aspects of my truck are more important than the mileage.

YMMV! Some ppl like all that. No worries.
 
Weight is less of a factor than frontal surface area of the trailer you are towing. I could only speculate, but the mileage between a E17 and an E19 would be minimal or nearly the same.
100% agree with the statement above! There's probably a few tenths of a mile per gallon difference at most.

The added space of the E19 interior plus the added safety that a tandem axle affords in the event of a blowout should more than offset the very small added fuel cost.
 
Besides frontal surface area of the trailer, there are many other factors that have a significant impact on MPG when towing, most that we can not control. Wind speed, wind direction, terrain, and traffic volume come to mind. Vehicle speed is one that we can control and has a big impact. Speed kills....MPG.
 
Thanks to all for your quick and helpful insights! I originally contacted Escape with this question and they suggested this forum might be a better source for information - they got that right!

What I did not want to have happen.... I buy a nice roomy camper and then find I'm only getting 5 mpg. But it sounds like the big mileage hit is between towing nothing and towing something material, but as you go up from there the mgp differences are marginal. Good to know!

Hope to identify as an owner soon.

Thanks again to all.
 
Hi - does anyone have a sense for how much worse their mileage is with a given tow vehicle on a 19 vs 17? I currently have a 17ft Casita and would like to upgrade to an Escape. My tow vehicle is an F150 (V6 EcoBoost TT 3.5L), I get about 13mpg pulling the Casita and I'm guessing that I would get about the same with the Escape 17. I would like the roominess of a 19 but I have no idea how the extra weight, height, width and road friction from 2 more tires (2 axles vs 1) might affect mileage.

Any thoughts or experiences would be much appreciated!
When we were deciding which to chose, 17 or 19, I to was concerned about the gas mileage difference. I did some informal checks with owners of both sizes. What I concluded from the anecdotal comments was there is little difference in fuel consumption between the trailer sizes and that differences were more due to the driving style, terrain, gear ratios and type of vehicle. The consensus among owners I spoke to was the number one way to get better gas mileage was to reduce speed. Every rig seems to have a speed sweet spot that gets the optimum fuel consumption. Mine is in the low 60's with a significant drop if I go 70+. The 19 is only 4 inches wider and taller and 500 pounds heavier than the 17. I doubt you would notice much difference especially when towing with a F150 3.5l. It's a great tow vehicle and based what I have seen at several owners rally's, it is very popular with Escape owners.

In the end we chose the 19 because I complained that I could not stand up straight in a 17 bathroom. Your comfort and piece of mind will be more important than a small potential fuel saving.
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In my opinion if you are getting say 13.8 mpg with your current rig, day in and day out. and are running say 62 mph, you can mirror the efficiency with a newer rig by dropping down to 58 Mph, being more judicious in your startup acceleration and refraining from passing on uphill grades where yourvehicle has to downshift a couple gears to pass and maintain a new higher speed. Also lowering your overall weight helps too.
In short “easy does it”.
Our 2018 Highlander 8 speed 295 HP pulling the
2013 21 is as good as or better than the 2012 Highlander with 6 speed transmission and 269 HP pulling the 2010 19. I drive a little slower, carry less weight, keep inflation on the tires accurately where I like the ride,. My wife Rita keeps the trailer surfaces especially on the front clean and waxed with a polymer “wax” called Rejex. The mantra
YMMV (Your Milage May Vary) is never so true. It all hinges on a very large number factors some of which you can control and some you can’t.

Over 60 years ago when I took drivers education our instructors gave us the Thanksgiving math problem of what the elapsed driving time was if your dad drove 70 mph or 60 mph to grandma’s house, x number of miles from your home. When we came up with the answer they asked what your dad did once he got to the destination. Nobody indicated that any important work was done. Only “had a drink” had a smoke” “relaxed in a chair in front of the
TV” were predominant answers.
Then the teachers went on to example out the increased fuel costs, tire wear, possibility of an accident, stopping distance in a tight situation etc. The minutes saved were just not worth it.

Things have changed a lot since 1964 but physics, and personal behavior, not so much.
Iowa Dave
 
I agree your milage is affected more by your speed. As an example of speed affecting mileage.

I drive a 2018 Silverado with a 5.3 V8 4/8 engine towing a 5.0
At 43 mph to 50 mph. 13/14 mpg. At 55 mph to 61 mph. 16/16.8 mpg. At 67 mph to 70 mph back down to 13/14 mph.
We just finished a 4K mile trip and averaged 16.1 mpg.

If you’re concerned about mileage watch your speed.
 
The Escapes are a bit less rounded and egg-shaped than the Casitas and Scamps. Coming from one of those, I think you can expect the Escape 17 to take off about 1 mpg from before. The 19, maybe another 1/2 mpg less than the 17. So the 19' might cost you an extra 10 gallons per thousand miles, perhaps? If you tow 10,000 miles in a year, that's about an extra $300 or $350 depending on fuel prices.
 
Our first ETI trailer was a 15B which we quickly found was to small so we sold it and bought a 17B. The difference in mileage between the two trailers was surprising. My mileage dropped by at least 4 miles per gallon with the 17B. Just before covid I met someone pulling an ETI 19 with the same truck as mine but two years newer and his mileage was about 2 or 3 miles per gallon less than mine. I don't know what the mileage difference would be between your Casita and an ETI 19 but from what I've seen I would expect a noticeable difference.
 
I record odo and trip odo on the receipt and then enter it in a spreadsheet. My travel buddy makes fun of me doing that, but especially with the car, I can detect problems by looking at gas mileage trends. I also know stations that have crappy gas and those that have good gas by the mileage.

It also will allow me to track mileage on my car after the odometer ceases to work at 299,999 miles. Its a Toyota (Pontiac Vibe)(on Youtube search NUMMI documentary) and the odometer freezes at that point. The trip odometers will continue to work, so it will allow me to track miles on that car after that point which is only about 15K away.

I have a spreadsheet with tabs for all of the vehicles.

Charles
 
I agree your milage is affected more by your speed. As an example of speed affecting mileage.

I drive a 2018 Silverado with a 5.3 V8 4/8 engine towing a 5.0
At 43 mph to 50 mph. 13/14 mpg. At 55 mph to 61 mph. 16/16.8 mpg. At 67 mph to 70 mph back down to 13/14 mph.
We just finished a 4K mile trip and averaged 16.1 mpg.

If you’re concerned about mileage watch your speed.
Interesting that your best mileage was not the slower speed. Does the 5.3 have the tech that switches off 2 cylinders at the 55-61 MPH speed?

I notice lower MPG on my F150 3.5 EB when I drive on slower speed (45-50) backroads but I’ve never calculated the specs.
 

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