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Old 08-15-2016, 05:57 AM   #111
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My Milenco mirrors, shipped across the Atlantic, door to door, were less than $150. I think the mirrors cost about $125 ( CAD ).
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Old 08-15-2016, 01:35 PM   #112
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Shipping is a major cost factor, but that's what you get for door-to-door package delivery across the Pacific. Interestingly, while the shipping cost for one set is $174, it's only $180 for two sets delivered to the same address...
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My Milenco mirrors, shipped across the Atlantic, door to door, were less than $150. I think the mirrors cost about $125 ( CAD ).
The Clearview product is a complete mirror assembly, while the Millenco product is a much smaller and lighter clip-on accessory. The trip across the Pacific from Australia is about twice as far as the trip across the Atlantic from the UK, and there is much more trade on the Atlantic route than that route across the Pacific (which presumably affects availability of low-cost options).

I'm not surprised at the difference between those apples and those oranges.
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Old 08-15-2016, 04:04 PM   #113
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I just bought a pair of slightly used Milenco Aero 3 mirrors, the big ones, for $80. Dometic now distributes them in North America and parts are available (basically the clamps). I am a happier camper! Now to put them away for many, many months and to find something else to worry about!
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Old 08-15-2016, 04:33 PM   #114
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You can buy the smaller Milenco Aero 3 mirrors from camping world for $117 USD.

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Old 08-27-2016, 01:33 PM   #115
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I have a question on using the older generation GMC Canyon as a tow vehicle. I own a 2010 GMC Canyon Z71 4X4 crew cab with the optional 5.3L V8 (pic below). It is rated to tow 5,000 lb. with the factory hitch and 6,000 lb. with a weight distributing hitch. I have been looking for a small 5th wheel camper to pull with it and discovered the 5.0TA a couple of days ago. What issues am I likely going to run into with this potential setup?
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Old 08-27-2016, 01:36 PM   #116
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I have a question on using the older generation GMC Canyon as a tow vehicle. I own a 2010 GMC Canyon Z71 4X4 crew cab with the optional 5.3L V8 (pic below). It is rated to tow 5,000 lb. with the factory hitch and 6,000 lb. with a weight distributing hitch. I have been looking for a small 5th wheel camper to pull with it and discovered the 5.0TA a couple of days ago. What issues am I likely going to run into with this potential setup?
Your capacities don't look to be an issue. But there's always the thing about 5th wheels and towing since the pin weight becomes part of your payload capacity. You might have to mount the 5th wheel hitch a little further back in the bed to clear the cab, because it's a short bed. WDH doesn't enter into the picture with a 5th wheel, so the 6000 lb capacity is irrelevant.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:39 PM   #117
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I have a question on using the older generation GMC Canyon as a tow vehicle. I own a 2010 GMC Canyon Z71 4X4 crew cab with the optional 5.3L V8 (pic below). It is rated to tow 5,000 lb. with the factory hitch and 6,000 lb. with a weight distributing hitch. I have been looking for a small 5th wheel camper to pull with it and discovered the 5.0TA a couple of days ago. What issues am I likely going to run into with this potential setup?
Nice looking truck With lots of engine...

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Your capacities don't look to be an issue. But there's always the thing about 5th wheels and towing since the pin weight becomes part of your payload capacity.
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WDH doesn't enter into the picture with a 5th wheel, so the 6000 lb capacity is irrelevant.
I would say if you are going to ignore a towing capacity, ignore the 5000 pound number. The difference between the two is how load on the end of frame is handled, so it is irrelevant to a fifth wheel. But I agree, WD is irrelevant.

There are three ratings which will matter:
  • Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)
    • rated limit for the total of the truck, trailer, and contents
    • this might be an issue if you have enough passengers or cargo in the truck
  • Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
    • rated limit for the total of the truck and everything it is carrying, including the pin weight
    • the difference between the empty truck weight (curb weight) and GVWR is payload, so you can think of this as the payload limit which Robert mentioned
    • this will likely be an issue due to the pin weight if you have any passengers
  • Gross Axle Weight Rating - Rear (GAWR-R)
    • rated limit for the load on the rear axle
    • this might be a limiting factor, again due to pin weight and depending on hitch position)
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You might have to mount the 5th wheel hitch a little further back in the bed to clear the cab, because it's a short bed.
This will be the issue. That bed isn't just short, it's ultra-short; you would need to mount the hitch much further back than ideal.

The challenge is that the pin of the trailer (the middle of the hitch) must be far enough from the back of the cab to allow the front of the trailer to clear the cab when you turn. The desired location for the hitch is over the axle or just ahead of it, so the key dimension is the cab-to-axle distance. When larger pickups are used to tow Escape fifth-wheels (5.0 or 5.0TA), a 5.5' bed with about 27" from cab to axle is considered short, and the hitch must be mounted behind the axle to get enough clearance. The Crew Cab Colorado has an exceptionally short distance from cab to axle, so the hitch would need to be well behind the axle.

The problems with having the hitch substantially behind the axle are that it shifts load onto the rear axle (so potentially hitting the GAWR, and lifting the front of the truck), and reduces stability.

There is a forum member who towed an Escape 5.0 with a first-generation Colorado; however, it was an extended cab, not the crew cab, so it had much more space from cab to axle.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:44 PM   #118
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I think you're right about the bed Brian. Now that I look at it again, it's pretty short.
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Thanks for the quick replies!.......and yes, it does have lots of engine. Very fun to drive since I have done a few things to increase the factory output of 300 HP. I am less concerned with how much weight it can pull as how much weight it can stop. The fact that I enjoy the truck so much and don't want to replace it is why I am looking for a small 5th wheel it can pull. Our last camper was a 1984 Skamper pop-up.....my wife and I don't want to go down that road again.

My GCWR is 10,400 lbs.
My GVWR is 5,500 lbs.
My GAWR RR is 2,896 lbs.
The bed length is 5'
Would something like an RV5 Kingpin Extension help with the bed length?
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Old 08-27-2016, 03:27 PM   #120
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With those numbers you maybe limited to a 21 or 19 Escape, or the old style single axle 5.0.
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