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Old 11-07-2015, 06:55 AM   #31
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Jim, used a local CAT weigh station. Do a 3 point (steer, drive, and trailer axels) reading of the truck and trailer combo. Disconnect the trailer in the parking lot and do a 2nd reading of just the truck. I've only done it a couple times as it costs $20 around here and I'm not really all that concerned. The HD payload gives me 2200 lbs.

I've had as low as 520 when close to empty after dumping and unloading to as high as 730 driving home from a trip before dumping. I suppose one could fill both the gray and black tanks, empty the fresh, nix the bikes on the bike rack, and get pretty much a max pin weight. Then but the bikes back on, empty the grey and black, fill the fresh, and reweigh to get the lightest.

Both Scott and Chapitre run 750-800 lbs with nothing in the holding tanks, I would have expected the front end to be lighter for them but that's not thew case. Larry reported 900 lbs with 1/3 full waste tanks and a full fresh.

I guess the only thing we can say for sure, if everyone is weighing their trailers the same, is that the pin can vary up to 900 lbs. with 750 - 800 being the most common, from our very small sample.

I've not heard of anyone having problems if they are knowingly or unknowingly a bit overloaded.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:05 AM   #32
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If the wheels are located at the same pivot point, why is the 5.0 that much heavier than the 21?
Other than additional metal frame but less f/g shell? Does not add up. Also are you adding in your hitch weight to your pin weight to get the total impact on GVWR?
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:07 AM   #33
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Thanks for those comments, Bob. Pretty much in line with what I expected.

This 750-800 lb pin weight on a 5th wheel connection, is much better situated for stability being over the rear axle, than some of the hitch weights on the 21 nearing 500 lbs at the rear of the tow vehicle.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:12 AM   #34
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I agree and that is one of the plus points of the 5.0, but unless a capable truck is purchased all is naught. Not sure about my Ram...
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If the wheels are located at the same pivot point, why is the 5.0 that much heavier than the 21?
I imagine it is partially to do with a lot more steel in the frame as you mentioned, but while the front lower part of the shell is shorter, it extends 3' - 10" further forward with the loft than to the front of the shell on a 21.
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I agree and that is one of the plus points of the 5.0, but unless a capable truck is purchased all is naught. Not sure about my Ram...
My point is, that any vehicle that could handle the tongue weight of a 21, would more easily handle the modestly more weight of a 5.0 due to the weight distribution, regardless of vehicle capacity. I am not suggesting that a grossly underrated capacity in either situation is a good thing, but if you are close with a fifth wheel, all is good.

I guess those that feel the need to justify larger tow vehicles, can do so. They won't go wrong with their decision, BUT there is no way in this world I consider my F150 underrated to tow the 5.0 as you suggest it is.
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Jim,
I'm not saying your vehicle is under rated as you have previously stated you are aware of the limits and can pack accordingly. It's the newbies and others that purchase a new tow vehicle without realizing there are GVWR ratings and that each unit can range from 100-400 more or less in weight. It is through capricious packing one can control the weight and be within the limits. But you and I have seen others with canoes and bikes and 4x4's in the truck bed plus a canopy with ladder racks all towing trailers.
In addition what about those times we bring grandchildren and fill the vehicle with passengers all the while filling up the trailer for 2 weeks use. Too bad scales are not more easily available for weighing. A little extra margin is what I like.
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:00 AM   #38
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If the wheels are located at the same pivot point, why is the 5.0 that much heavier than the 21?
Other than additional metal frame but less f/g shell? Does not add up. Also are you adding in your hitch weight to your pin weight to get the total impact on GVWR?
Just a guess, but the body of the 5.0TA is almost 3' longer forward of the axles then the 21. 17'4" vs about 20' 3".

The hitch is fixed in the truck, it would be accounted for when you weigh the truck separately at the scale. So no, the hitch is not part of the pin weight. You would have to account for it in addition to the pin when researching a truck. In my case I'd add 200 lbs for the B&W, I've heard 60 lbs for the Anderson, don't know about the Reese.
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:24 AM   #39
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Other than additional metal frame but less f/g shell?
18' of cabin on the 21' where the 5.0TA has 20 feet of cabin and yes, I realize it's a loft not a full structure. But the 5.0TA is a lot taller than the 21. So you can add that to your weight measurements.
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18' of cabin on the 21' where the 5.0TA has 20 feet of cabin and yes, I realize it's a loft not a full structure. But the 5.0TA is a lot taller than the 21. So you can add that to your weight measurements.
Hi: Donna D... Seems most likely next year the weight time to get one will be shorter!!! Alf
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