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Old 12-20-2014, 07:51 PM   #51
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Hi: All... Frontal area is another reason to like a 5.0TA.
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Yah, but it's not as rounded as that Corner Gas mug. Where'd you get that?

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Old 12-20-2014, 07:58 PM   #52
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If any of you have flown an airplane you will respect the fact that weight and drag are very important issues. You load an airplane based on its capabilities. The smaller the plane the lower the weight etc. Same with a trailer. You load it evenly and power the unit properly. The load which equals weight and drag come into play dramatically when you want performance. You want to do 100 then your load/drag will wear out your transmission as well as the motor. Driving within the confines of your tug will go miles to giving you acceptable performance and minimal repairs. Streamlining reduces drag thus reducing load. The escape is probably the most streamlined unit available.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:03 PM   #53
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Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.

The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.

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Old 12-20-2014, 08:04 PM   #54
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:21 PM   #55
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Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.

The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.

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No allotment for the rounded corners.
Using your formula, maybe 7.16 x 5.66 x .8 = 32.4
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:21 PM   #56
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Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.

The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.

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Now I am really confused. The 2013 Frontier manual says it is 60?? Typo in 2014 and 15?
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:36 PM   #57
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Now I am really confused. The 2013 Frontier manual says it is 60?? Typo in 2014 and 15?
Could this be the difference:

'The towing capacity is calculated using the SAE International SAE J2807 test method.' It is in the 2014 but not the 2013 manual.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:36 AM   #58
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I haven't had any luck finding it on any of my streaming services in the States -iTunes, Netflix or Amazon - but maybe the Canadian versions have it?
And, this is what I get on this side of the border when I click on Comedy Central US
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:08 AM   #59
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Yah, but it's not as rounded as that Corner Gas mug. Where'd you get that?

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Old 12-21-2014, 02:33 AM   #60
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The escape is probably the most streamlined unit available.
While Escape bodies are more rounded on the front than typical "box" RVs, I don't see any objective reason to believe that they are more streamlined (have lower aerodynamic drag) than a typical trailer (many of which have moulded fiberglass nose cones), let alone most trailers. The rounded rear corners are bad for aero, the overall shape doesn't have favourable characteristics (such as tapering slightly toward the tail), and the bottom does not have a smooth flush cover. The good feature is the rounded front corners, like all of the Trillium derivatives and less rounded than all of the Boler derivatives.

Perhaps the most frequently cited "low drag" trailer has been Airstream, which has a more rounded front than an Escape (how rounded depends on the vintage) and a flush bottom... but unfortunately a rounded tail as well.

Objective data about travel trailer aero drag is notably lacking, possibly because it depends so much on the tow vehicle, and no one has enough incentive to test a wide range of combinations.
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