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Old 06-29-2015, 03:20 PM   #51
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I just returned from a 4 week trip following the rally in Osoyoos, into Washington, Oregon, and a little in Northern CA then back p the coast. Door to door was 4200 km and the 2013 Honda Pilot average towing my 2014 17B was 15.3 litres/100 km, 18.4 mpg imp gal, 15.3 mpg US gal mixed driving conditions. Worth mentioning there's lots of climbing heading east to Osoyoos and especially west from Yakima across the mountains. Also coming back upo the coast in Oregon I was bucking a very strong head/cross wind. The 2013 Pilot (4WD) is factory rated at 4600 lb. and 450 on the ball. It handled all driving conditions with ease. Last year driving to Calgary and to Chilliwack to pick up my 17 B I averaged 8.4 litres/100 km or 33.5 mpg imp gal all highway driving. Generally on Vancouver Island its around 13.4 litres /100 km mixed driving solo mostly city.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:27 PM   #52
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I am in the process of 'relearning' how to drive.
After not really knowing what to expect with towing mileage - 19' with 2012 F150 Ecoboost 4x4, 3.73 gears & tires more suitable for off-roading - I've had to temper my expectations. Thus far, on 2 trips, we've managed 12-14 mpg Imperial. Unloaded we manage roughly 20 mpg Imperial.
Keeping up with traffic, steep, high mountain passes, headwinds, etc. are not our gas mileage friends at all & I have to revise my thinking towards these factors.
Ensuring tire pressures are at their optimum, for example, has taken on new meaning.
The Ecoboost is definitely capable as a tow rig but I do find myself missing the almost effortless ability of the Duramax diesel I had previously hauling a camper with a smaller mpg penalty, relatively speaking.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:29 PM   #53
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Door to door was 4200 km and the 2013 Honda Pilot average towing my 2014 17B was 15.3 litres/100 km, 18.4 mpg imp gal, 15.3 mpg US gal mixed driving conditions.
This sounds about right, and is just a bit better than towing my 19 with my Pilot. On the flat with no wind, it does better, but in the hills and wind, it does way worse. Of course, the time spent driving around without the trailer while camping, really improves the overall mileage.

If just towing in mostly wind and mountains, my F-350 diesel gets much better economy than my Pilot in those conditions. So, short trips with little driving not towing, sees me using it. Longer trips with lots of driving unhooked, will see the Pilot being used.

Of course, once I fully retire, I will sell the F-350, as it is just way too big of a vehicle for us, so it would not even be a consideration then.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:33 PM   #54
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When I was looking for a new tow vehicle, fuel efficency was far down my list of necessary attributes .Towing capacity ,payload ,braking , handling, ride ,comfort ETC were more important than fuel economy . I would rather loose a little gas mileage than being exhausted at the end of the day from white knuckle towing . I have often questioned the logic of buying a 35k + Escape 21 ft and then towing it with an inadequate vehicle just to gain 1 MPG. Gaining better fuel econom at the cost of safety is not a fair trade IMHO. I tow with a 1/2 ton fullsize pickup truck with a 5.7 liter V8 , +WDH and find it adequate for towing my trailer.
Everyone has a different comfort level , so what you value may differ
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:44 PM   #55
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Hey Steve
I guess they don't drive Toyota's in Wisconsin.

Beep Beep
We have gone camping at many State Parks in Wisconsin.
We once counted over 75 trucks in one State Park and not one of them
was a Toyota . I personally do not know anyone that owns or drives
a Toyota truck . Ford by far is the most popular truck in our area
followed by Chevy then Ram. Living in a rural area there are no Toyota
dealers but several Ford ,Chevy and Ram dealers . i personnaly would
not buy a Toyota but that is my choice. I was not questioning anyones decision on what
to own or drive. My exclusion of Toyota was not meant to offend anyone.
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:05 PM   #56
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For many, budget and being environmentally friendly as possible, means a lot. There is no reason to recommend a pickup in favour of a more fuel efficient SUV, just so long as the capacity is there. I have never had an issue with comfort in my Pilot, it beats my F-350 for that, and in no way have I ever felt I was "white knuckle' driving, especially with the addition of the Andersen WDH.

I think it is unfair to use fearmongering with folks looking to buy and consider fuel efficiency, in order to justify ones own decision. I do like though, that some smaller pickups are beginning to show great improvements in fuel economy, making them much more viable alternatives. No need to use fuel hogging engines in our FG trailers any more.

So much also depends on the use of the vehicle aside from towing. Often, non-towing driving FAR exceeds that done while towing, and the vehicle has to work well for them for this use too, short of having a quiver full of vehicles to use.

For over 30 years I have driven a Ford pickup for work, with the exception of one Dodge Ram (the first to offer the Cummins deisel), but if I were choosing a pickup to tow a 5.0TA with, I would not hesitate for a moment to consider some of the great offerings from Toyota or Nissan as well.
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:16 PM   #57
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Only if you want to make your life difficult.
Think about stopping at a light on a hill and then proceeding on green. Or, about trying to inch a trailer tire up on a block to level the trailer. Almost anything can be made more difficult with a manual transmission.
Gee, how can I ignore this?

I love my Tacoma manual. Been driving a manual for - well, skip that part...
Here in Colorado mountains I pick the correct gear for the grade and just cruise.

Need to creep up an inch? Shift into 4X4 Low and I can inch with the best of them.

Even Susannah, who drove the Escape 21 over Gore Pass last week as her inaugural,
said "that wasn't as bad as I thought". I gave her a B+ (should have given her an
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:30 PM   #58
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We have gone camping at many State Parks in Wisconsin.
We once counted over 75 trucks in one State Park and not one of them
was a Toyota . I personally do not know anyone that owns or drives
a Toyota truck . Ford by far is the most popular truck in our area
followed by Chevy then Ram. Living in a rural area there are no Toyota
dealers but several Ford ,Chevy and Ram dealers . i personnaly would
not buy a Toyota but that is my choice. I was not questioning anyones decision on what
to own or drive. My exclusion of Toyota was not meant to offend anyone.
Hey Steve

Just pulling your chain some.
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:34 PM   #59
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We have a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.6K V-6 and 4WD. We have had our Escape 19' for about a month and have towed it 2 weeks during that time. We travel at about 60 MPH and got 16 MPG at sea level and going down from the mountains (Lassen Volcanic NP) and 14 MPG going up from 3000 to 7000 feet. We got the V-6 because it gets about 3 MPG better than the V-8 all the time. We get about 25 MPG on the freeways and about 17 MPG in the city. We are very pleased with how it tows the Escape 19' and with it in general. It is rated at towing 6200 lbs so we are well within its capacity, which I like. The 25 gallon tank makes gas stops much less frequent.
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Old 06-29-2015, 05:28 PM   #60
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The 25 gallon tank makes gas stops much less frequent.
This is one thing I definitely appreciate with the F-350. We never filled up once in the 750 km (470 mi) to Osoyoos from home. Having done the trip a bunch of times with the Pilot, I know there are two stops on the way. So, about 2 1/2 times the range.
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