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Old 12-15-2015, 12:21 PM   #111
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But as I mentioned before, you do have to remember other factors, in performance and cost. The diesels usually outperform gas engines with better towing capacity. Used diesel trucks sell for a heck of a lot more than their gas counterparts. Diesel engines usually last longer too. Lots of other considerations between diesel and gas, and these factors will differ for each individual manufacturer, as well as the end user.

Not saying at all that diesel is always the best option, but just that there are a lot more factors than just the original cost.
Jim here in California ,the used Diesels do not sell for more . The upkeep just changing oil is expensive . And the big one there are times the fuel costs a lot more then gas . That is something new . We never saw that before . Pat
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Old 12-15-2015, 02:01 PM   #112
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The gas fueled V6 in the Colorado/Canyon is rated at 305 hp and 269 ft lbs of torque. The diesel numbers are 181 and 369 respectively. What difference would that make in actual use? I am a towing novice looking for a TV. The V6 would be cheaper to purchase. With fuel prices as they are it would probably be a wash in terms of fuel cost. The diesel will get better mileage than the V6 but not by a huge amount. I'm starting to lean toward the V6 but would like some feedback regarding my question: what would be the difference between the two in actual use, i.e. towing?
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I'll toss this out. IF you are selecting an internal combustion engine you should pick the cleanest overall engine that does the job. For heavy haulers diesel is obviously the best choice.

For individuals gas should usually be the choice unless they heavy haul, like horses.

Diesel is significantly 'dirtier', it is the nature of the beast.
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Old 12-15-2015, 03:03 PM   #114
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The gas fueled V6 in the Colorado/Canyon is rated at 305 hp and 269 ft lbs of torque. The diesel numbers are 181 and 369 respectively. What difference would that make in actual use?
At moderate power levels, and thus low engine speeds, it probably won't make a lot of difference. When towing a trailer and faced with a steep grade at highway speeds so you need all the power you can get, it will be a noticeable difference in performance.

Below are the specs for the two engine choices for a Ford Super Duty single-rear-wheel truck under 5 tons GVWR (that's an F-250, or F-350 SRW without the heavy payload package). I note that the diesel is larger in displacement as well as being turbocharged, and as a result has more power than the gas engine - it's not surprising to me that the diesel is commonly preferred. This is not the case for the Colorado's gas and diesel choices - in that case the diesel is smaller and much less powerful.
6.2L Gas V8
385 HP @ 5500 rpm
405 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

6.7L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel V8
440 HP @ 2800 rpm
860 lb-ft @ 1600 rpm
Also, in an F-350 or similar truck of another brand, the diesel is an engine designed and built in North America for which service is widely available. The Ram Heavy Duty equivalent (Cummins ISB, Ram version) is famous and has many vocal fans. The Colorado's Duramax 2.8 is probably a fine engine, proven and supported worldwide... but built in Thailand and so far unknown here.

I wouldn't count on better resale value for the diesel in a Colorado, although it may work out that way.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:39 AM   #115
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Back to the original subject... this is decently close to 31 mpg (although it is substantially better than the rated fuel economy in the specs):
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By the way, this little twin turbo (2.7L) is a quick, powerful, and torquey rascal! Plus, I got 29.9 mpg! on a 100 mile trip albeit at 60-65 mph.
This is a 2015 Ford F-150 SuperCrew 5.5' box EcoBoost 2.7, to be used to tow an Escape 5.0TA.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:51 PM   #116
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As I understand it, the 2.8L Duramax was designed in the VM Motori factory in Italy, the same one that signed the 3.0L diesel in the Ram 1500. In fact, the engine is an upgraded version of the engine in the Jeep Liberty CRD from 2005-6. It is assembled in Thailand.
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I had one of those "cruds" as we called them, nice little tow vehicle for less than 3500# trailers. I got 20 mpg towing and 25 not towing. The down side was the increase in diesel and the $150 oil changes. Unlike the newer models, the 2006 model did not require urea additive.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:12 PM   #118
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Yes, I forgot that Jim had one of the Jeeps. There are certainly several million worldwide and the engine is found in sedans, SUVs, pickups - even London taxicabs. The US version has Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF), a turn-off for me in diesel engines.
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Hi Jack,
Hope you and the cat are enjoying your BigFoot. That new Oliver in New York was sold recently.
Have a happy holiday...
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Old 12-16-2015, 03:08 PM   #120
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As I understand it, the 2.8L Duramax was designed in the VM Motori factory in Italy, the same one that signed the 3.0L diesel in the Ram 1500. In fact, the engine is an upgraded version of the engine in the Jeep Liberty CRD from 2005-6. It is assembled in Thailand.
Interesting - I didn't know that.

I don't know how close the GM engine is to the VM Motori R 428 DOHC or the newer A 428 DOHC (which is listed in Wikipedia as actually used in the worldwide Colorado, even though GM's engine plant in Thailand is not part of VM Motori), but perhaps the long history will be more assuring to potential buyers than just the recent use in the Colorado.
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