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Old 03-21-2014, 06:12 PM   #21
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The following is from Scientific American magazine:

Most modern cars, however, are designed to employ a specific compression ratio, a measure of how much room is available to the fuel when the piston is at the bottom and the top of the cylinder. This compression ratio—somewhere in the neighborhood of eight to one—tolerates lower octane fuels (such as regular gasoline, good old 87 octane) without knocking. "The compression ratio is fixed by the designer of the engine," Green says. "The regular fuel will burn properly and the premium fuel will burn properly and therefore there is no reason you should pay the extra money." High-performance engines, such as those in some sports cars or older, heavier automobiles, often boast much higher compression ratios. These cars—for example, Shepherd's Subaru WRX—require premium gasoline and will definitely knock without it. "I have to put the 92 octane in," he says. "It has a turbocharger."
Such high compression ratios—and the premium fuels that go with them—could be turned to efficiency, rather than speed, Green notes, especially if put into the engines of lighter cars like his Honda Civic. Other automotive fuels, such as ethanol, can also offer high octane ratings, allowing oil companies to use more volatile gasoline in such blends. But for standard cars on the road today, purchasing premium gasoline is simply paying a premium for a fuel that delivers no added benefits. "If you think you need it," Green says, "you're being very eccentric."

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Old 03-21-2014, 07:09 PM   #22
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Honda recommends regular for my Ridgeline, unless I'm towing over 3500 lbs, then it's premium. Compression ratio is 10:1.
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:45 PM   #23
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tow vehicles for 19 or 21

I also had a ridgeline and followed Honda's book that called for premium when towing and I still believe it is a good idea with the jeep as it has 9.6 ratio and I can slightly beat the advertised mileage at higher speeds.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:48 PM   #24
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I'm considering a 17B or perhaps a 19, this will certainly require a new TV as my current TV is not ideal for my current 13' Scamp.

I do not like trucks and tall vehicles in general. Has anyone used a Sube Legacy/Outback for a 19 and felt comfortable about it?? I think the US rating is 2700lbs, But I've read the 6 cylinder model is 3000lbs, and that car in Europe is more like 3600lbs. Have not seen tongue weight numbers.

Is there any actual weight measurements of well equipped and packed 17Bs or 19s? Most heavy things I'd keep in the back of the TV, but I'm interested of weights with food in the pantry, day to day items in the drawers, water in the tank etc. Tongue weight number also very welcome.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:53 PM   #25
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There are folks pulling 17B's with the Subaru's but I don't know of anyone pulling a 19 with one.
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Old 03-22-2014, 06:56 PM   #26
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Yeah, not too worried about a 17, but the 19 may be pushing it.

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Old 03-22-2014, 06:58 PM   #27
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Hmmm.... I just posted a reply, but perhaps because it had an external link it has to be approved my the Mods.

Yeah, I suspected a 17 was pretty doable with an Outback, but wondered about the extra 2 feet and extra axle on the 19s.
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:07 PM   #28
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My perfect TV would be a 4wd wagon with a manual trans and a direct injection turbo diesel. But Sube will not bring their well reviewed diesel engine to North America. Mazda won't bring the 6 wagon here and it's not 4wd (and who knows when or if the 5 will get the diesel, the CX-5 will likely get it first). The German options seems expensive and reliability and repair costs seem less than ideal.

And, I'd like to not take on a loan, so a 10 year old used vehicle is probably about where I'm looking. So seems Outbacks are really the only practical options in this class? Anyone have a TV sort of near this class vehicle I'm overlooking?

But this "ideal" type TV and a 19' trailer? I don't know.
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:22 PM   #29
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An Escape will outlast a lot of tow vehicles, that said a 10 year old used Subaru may not be you best choice. Even an Escape 17 with a gross weight rating of 3500# would exceed any Subaru's capacity and the 19' goes up another 500#. Most mid sized suv's will be okay for a 17 but for a 19' you have to move up.
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Old 03-22-2014, 07:33 PM   #30
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I think you are going to run in difficulty with the tongue weight, towing even a 17 with an Outback. I don't recall offhand the Outback capacity, but my RAV is 350 lbs. and the actual tongue weight on my 17B is 320 (ish ).
Personally, I wouldn't use a new Outback to tow my 17B, never mind a 10 year old one.
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