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Old 03-02-2014, 10:08 AM   #41
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ETI shows $400(CAD) plus installation for a Reese hitch. That seems very competitive given the prices I see on the internet. I would pay a bit extra to have ETI make sure my short bed Silverado was set up properly.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:21 AM   #42
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Having owned and driven diesel pickups for 25 years now, pretty much since Dodge came out with the Cummins in their line. I admit they have their place. I toss around the idea of the 5.0TA when I retire, a few years from now. I do agree that Powerstroke diesel will get as good of fuel economy towing, and have tons of power to spare, but that economy is lost with diesel fuel running anywhere from 15-25% more expensive than gasoline. But for me, I will be glad to get rid of the beastly truck that I need now for work, and get something like the Frontier. Heck, I rarely use my diesel for towing my Escape.

Plus, this economy is only better when towing. If you need the diesel for other uses, then this can be factored in too, and make it more viable. If the truck will see a lot of use other than towing, and the huge capacities are not needed, then I would go for a bit smaller truck myself, something less of a beast for toodling around in.

Best of both worlds, is if they would introduce more diesel engines in the smaller pickups. These engines exist throughout Europe and Australia, we just need manufacturers to bring them here.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:31 AM   #43
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The new Dodge Ram 1500 with the diesel option is selling like hotcakes. 6,000 pre-sold already and the next 6,000 will go into the dealer network. I think it's really going to give the new Ford F-150 ecoboost with aluminum body a run for its money. IF the Dodge is successful, look for the other manufacturers to follow suit.
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While I do understand that the 2500 may be as economical in fuel as a smaller truck while towing the Escape, the maintenance costs would still be high, and "too much truck" implies lots of other concerns, such as with maneouverability.

While we're spending someone else's money, and making plans to buy products which don't yet exist there's always the 2016 Chevrolet Colorado diesel. This is one of those already existing engines which Jim Bennett mentioned.
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Nissan plans a diesel Frontier...
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That Chevy and Nissan news is surely welcome. Great to see these options become available in the future. That 5 litre engine in the Nissan does sound pretty huge though.
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Not sure either of these compact future diesels will have any increase in towing capacity or carrying capacity, just better mileage. If they are inadequate now, adding a diesel does not change the facts. A lot of the manufacturers are adding diesels to their line ups to meet the minimum average mpg requirements industry wide numbers set by the government.
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I had a 2011 Frontier short bed. Recently upgraded to a 2014 RAM 1500 as I am buying the new 5th TA. I did not feel the Frontier would have been adequate for the new 5.0.
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Although I knew about Nissan's diesel full-sized Titan, the mid-sized Frontier project was new to me; thanks for the link, but this is just a project, not a production commitment. The Colorado diesel is announced for production.

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That 5 litre engine in the Nissan does sound pretty huge though.
The 5-litre V8 is in the Titan, where that is a reasonable size (small by current V8 full-size standards, 2/3 of the size in heavier pickups). The Frontier project uses a 2.8-litre engine, about what Nissan routinely sells in a Frontier in other parts of the world; the point of the project is to show a Cummins diesel, since that's who they are now working with.

In the UK, for instance, the Frontier (which is called a Navara there) comes only as a diesel, with a choice of a 2.5L 4-cylinder or a 3.0L V6. The project is about marketing, not technology.

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Not sure either of these compact future diesels will have any increase in towing capacity or carrying capacity, just better mileage. If they are inadequate now, adding a diesel does not change the facts.
Very true. If the engine is not the limiting factor, changing the engine won't help. Although a different engine with suitable installation (lots of cooling) might increase the GCWR, the limit for many is the GVWR... they could pull more trailer, if only they could handle the hitch weight. A diesel won't fix that.

The Colorado is smaller than a full-size but still pretty big - bigger than the old Colorado - so it is likely of interest to some Escape owners; the diesel might make the fuel consumption more palatable to them.
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The 5-litre V8 is in the Titan, where that is a reasonable size (small by current V8 full-size standards, 2/3 of the size in heavier pickups). The Frontier project uses a 2.8-litre engine, about what Nissan routinely sells in a Frontier in other parts of the world; the point of the project is to show a Cummins diesel, since that's who they are now working with.
That makes better sense, I guess I just skimmed too quickly. I saw the Chev engine was a 2.8 litre as well.

I know elsewhere in the World, the new Ford Ranger offers two different diesel engines. They too need to bring this to North America, despite their concerns it would just be competing with the F-150.
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