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Old 07-23-2014, 07:23 PM   #31
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Seems one guy did get a response. Here's a snip from another forum I've read:

"According to the guy who replied to me from Toyota Canada, he said the you cannot use WDHs with the Highlander or the RAV4 because it is too hard on the unibody construction."

The problem is the internet is like the game where the story changes as it's being told. How did "does not recommend" ( which is what it says in the manual ) end up being "cannot use".

That's why I've been trying to get a proper explanation from Toyota.
Keep in mind that the Toyota dealer installed my hitch prior to delivery.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:27 PM   #32
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Although there are many good quality unibody vehicles rates to pull our trailers this is the reason why I prefer a full frame vehicle with a solid hitch .
There is a compromise. The Ford Flex has a rear quarter frame and Ford recommends the use of a WDH when towing heavier than 2000lb. We have had a good experience with our 19 & AWD Flex. Very comfortable ride, easy to get in and out of and handles well with the long wheel base. Of course the outside design is not for everyone and that might explain why they are a good buy used.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:34 PM   #33
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Yup, the Flex reminds me of a shoe box with wheels drawn on the sides of the box ( I was a deprived kid ).
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"the internet is like the game where the story changes as it's being told."

That is a very accurate description.
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Yup, the Flex reminds me of a shoe box with wheels drawn on the sides of the box ( I was a deprived kid ).
My friends who drive pickups tell me it looks like a hearse. I pointed out you have to be emotionally secure to drive one.
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I don't understand this. The original post clearly and helpfully described structural distortion of the hitch structure of a Honda Pilot, resulting from the unapproved use of a WD system. The responses veered into statements about unibody construction limiting towing capacity. The two are unrelated - the hitch is not the body structure, and there was no mention of any failure of the body.

(The Pilot hitch is also the bumper structure, but it's not the body. You can bolt on a new hitch/bumper)

The Pilot's hitch failure says nothing about unibody construction. Many other unibody vehicles are rated and equipped for WD use.
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We have a 2002 Toyota Tacoma 4dr V6 with factory Tow package. We added airbags to the springs and do not have a wdh. The airbags were essential as the headlamps were lighting up the night sky before we added them. Now we ride flat and even.
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I don't understand this. The original post clearly and helpfully described structural distortion of the hitch structure of a Honda Pilot, resulting from the unapproved use of a WD system. The responses veered into statements about unibody construction limiting towing capacity. The two are unrelated - the hitch is not the body structure, and there was no mention of any failure of the body.

(The Pilot hitch is also the bumper structure, but it's not the body. You can bolt on a new hitch/bumper)

The Pilot's hitch failure says nothing about unibody construction. Many other unibody vehicles are rated and equipped for WD use.
The hitch in question is not bolted on. It is welded in by Honda. You'd have to cut it out to replace it, and as far as I know, it'd have to be another Honda hitch.

As for the bending, depending on who you ask -- Toyota, Honda, etc, some will say that certain unibody vehicles are under too much strain with wdh, and some will say not.

I did not speak to the towing capacity of unibody vehicles, but was merely talking about the bent hitch and possible reasons for it.
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The hitch in question is not bolted on. It is welded in by Honda. You'd have to cut it out to replace it, and as far as I know, it'd have to be another Honda hitch.

As for the bending, depending on who you ask -- Toyota, Honda, etc, some will say that certain unibody vehicles are under too much strain with wdh, and some will say not.

I did not speak to the towing capacity of unibody vehicles, but was merely talking about the bent hitch and possible reasons for it.
rbryan, you are right, the hitch is welded in. I crawled under the Pilot and looked at the hitch and the frame construction and the bending was localized to where the receiver tube is welded to the sheet metal hitch assembly. I also looked generally at the unibody frame construction and don't think it would have distorted if the receiver mounting didn't bend. I'm sure the "unibody" discussion contains a lot of speculation.
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rbryan, you are right, the hitch is welded in. I crawled under the Pilot and looked at the hitch and the frame construction and the bending was localized to where the receiver tube is welded to the sheet metal hitch assembly. I also looked generally at the unibody frame construction and don't think it would have distorted if the receiver mounting didn't bend. I'm sure the "unibody" discussion contains a lot of speculation.
True. Like gbaglo said, "the story changes as it's told" -- depending on who you ask.. I would think they can weld in a new piece, but that sucks that it's bent.
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