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Old 07-09-2016, 10:00 PM   #151
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Thank goodness, someone on this forum has a truck older than mine: 1993 F150 with 90,000 miles...

Thanks for 'fessing up, Pat!
Yep Karen these are great trucks and they still can go a lot longer . The best part I tell my kids ,I have wind wings ! Were you able to get the lady's website information to see what she did in her Casitas trailer for her sink ? Pat
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:01 PM   #152
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:51 PM   #153
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for those in Texas , apparently another implication with the new 2017 Escape trailer weights...Escape 19.. previous 4000 lb now 5000 lb

"to register a non-farm trailer that has a gross weight of 4,501 pounds or more, that trailer has to have a valid inspection,"

not that an inspection is a bad thing... just another thing to do every year before registration, where a previous Escape trailer may not have required this due to its lower weight rating.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:59 PM   #154
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A good point Jeff. If the MCOO states a gross weight above that number, then an annual inspection will be required. Trouble is, the law states they must be inspected at a state certified safety inspection station - and many of those will not inspect trailers, or they lack the facility size to do so.


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Old 07-10-2016, 01:09 PM   #155
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might as well bring this up as well with regard to the increased 2017 trailer weights..feel free to educate this trailer newbie...
at some point in the past Escape decided the 3" box frame needed changing to 4" box frame...not sure why but assuming this was to better handle the weight with the previous generation of max gross weight ratings. So for example the Escape 19 had a previous max rating of 4000 lbs and is now max 5000 lbs for the new 2017 model. While the jury is still out as to whether Escape also increased the installed mfg axle weight rating to possibly 3000 lbs each on the new 2017 Escape 19 from the previously 2500 lb each mfg axle rating....(waiting on Escape to reply to emailed question)
the question is ...is the current 4" box frame still sufficient or should it be increased as well to handle the additional 1000 lbs weight rating?
assuming the previous 4 "box frame size provided some safety margin as well, wonder if this safety margin has evaporated with the new weights?
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:29 PM   #156
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for those in Texas , apparently another implication with the new 2017 Escape trailer weights...Escape 19.. previous 4000 lb now 5000 lb

"to register a non-farm trailer that has a gross weight of 4,501 pounds or more, that trailer has to have a valid inspection,"

not that an inspection is a bad thing... just another thing to do every year before registration, where a previous Escape trailer may not have required this due to its lower weight rating.
This same issue has come up before, but with the 21' which has a GVWR of 4600 pounds (at least in some cases) and the 5.0TA which has a GVWR of 5000 pounds, even in the original version in both cases.
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Old 07-10-2016, 01:50 PM   #157
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... at some point in the past Escape decided the 3" box frame needed changing to 4" box frame...not sure why but assuming this was to better handle the weight with the previous generation of max gross weight ratings. So for example the Escape 19 had a previous max rating of 4000 lbs and is now max 5000 lbs for the new 2017 model.
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the question is ...is the current 4" box frame still sufficient or should it be increased as well to handle the additional 1000 lbs weight rating?
assuming the previous 4 "box frame size provided some safety margin as well, wonder if this safety margin has evaporated with the new weights?
The 19' and 21' have the same size of steel tubing in the frame (2" wide, 4" tall). Since a shorter trailer puts less stress of the frame (think of it as a shorter bridge), the 19' with 2"x4" frame certainly has enough strength for a higher GVWR than the 4600 pounds of the previous 21'.

Similarly, the 5.0TA with a 5000 pound GVWR (in it's original version) and longer "tongue" puts more stress on the frame than a 21', but both have the same frame rail size. Even if the 21' GVWR is increased substantially from the current 4500 pounds (published) or 4600 pounds (placarded on some trailers), I would not expect a structural issue with continuing the same construction and size of rail.

I think trailer frame rail sizing is usually far from optimized to the "just enough" size of steel, because - unlike motor vehicles - they are built from readily available standard sizes.

What about potential (and likely substantial) weight increase in the 5.0TA? I'm sure Reace has considered that, but it will be interesting to see if there is a change.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:31 PM   #158
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My tag indicates 3665 lbs dry with dual glazing, ac, twin 6 volts, storage box, spray foam, extra insul, and a few electronics goodies that don't add up to a whole bunch.
EDIT EDIT EDIT. Seems I threw a bad number out there. I don't know where that came from. Sorry. My dry weight is 3326 lbs as I wrote in an earlier post. Don't know where that other number came from. I doubt any 19 could get significantly higher than that. My axles are rated @ 2500 lbs (I confirmed the decal is correct by looking for a label on the axle itself). Here's a comparison between my previous 2014 (RIP) and the 2016:
GVWR: 4000 / 5000
Dry: 3021 / 3326
Cargo Cap: 979 / 1674

More than likely the previous frame/axle assembly was under-rated and the new model GVWR simply reflects the real capacity. The 300 lb weight increase is modest. Roughly half of that increase was probably the addition of the extra glass, the front box and the insulation. I doubt that i'll be much over 4000 lbs loaded with the water and propane tanks filled. I'm on a road trip shortly and if the scales are available I'll post the results.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:41 PM   #159
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Escape posts dry weights on their specs which is without options. The 19' has previously been 2510 and 2610. Don't know what the figure is for the new model.

I see that you are referring to your particular weight with options.
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Thanks for double checking your numbers, these newer figures are more in line with general consensus of what the 19 new model will weigh.
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