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Old 07-13-2016, 11:42 PM   #181
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:50 PM   #182
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Even with a Yukon we try to travel with little water in the tank as 30 gallons is 250 lbs. and is very noticeable. A 2017 21 will be most likely 350 lbs heavier. I have noticed that ETI has deleted the statement on their website that all their trailers can be towed with a V-6 and minimum 5000 tow rating.
being a trailer newbie, have been wondering about traveling with less than a full tank of any fresh or gray...seems like it would slosh a lot with travel and jerk the trailer..sort of like the old days with waterbeds that did not have baffles...anybody offer trailer tanks with baffles or is it no big deal?
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:51 PM   #183
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ETI's instructions say to travel with a full or empty H2O tank for the reason you mentioned.

Edit: Also says to empty gray & black tank before traveling.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:00 AM   #184
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ETI's instructions say to travel with a full or empty H2O tank for the reason you mentioned.

Edit: Also says to empty gray & black tank before traveling.
also it seems the black tank on the 21 would increase the tonque weight as you fill it..more so than the 19 with black a bit closer to axles
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:25 AM   #185
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also it seems the black tank on the 21 would increase the tonque weight as you fill it..more so than the 19 with black a bit closer to axles
Yes, although there might not be quite as much difference between models as it seems at first, since the 19's black tank extends forward from the toilet under the dinette (while the 21's tank goes sideways).
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:50 AM   #186
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being a trailer newbie, have been wondering about traveling with less than a full tank of any fresh or gray...seems like it would slosh a lot with travel and jerk the trailer..sort of like the old days with waterbeds that did not have baffles...anybody offer trailer tanks with baffles or is it no big deal?
We used to have a TT that had 36 gallon fresh capacity and I never noticed any difference with full, 1/2 full, or empty tanks. Ditto for our Arctic Fox truck camper that had 55 gallon (US) fresh. It's very low on my list of things to worry about. We usually traveled with full tanks when possible, but a week long trip with multiple dry camping sites and variable availability of dump facillities and fresh water will leave you with variable fresh water and waste tank levels.
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Old 07-14-2016, 02:06 AM   #187
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being a trailer newbie, have been wondering about traveling with less than a full tank of any fresh or gray...seems like it would slosh a lot with travel and jerk the trailer..sort of like the old days with waterbeds that did not have baffles...anybody offer trailer tanks with baffles or is it no big deal?
Water is about 8 lbs/gallon, so 40 gallons of liquid would be about 320 lbs - less than 1% of the trailer weight. I never noticed an issue and actually think it might help scrub off the level sensors if you shake things up a bit.
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Old 07-14-2016, 02:11 AM   #188
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Water is about 8 lbs/gallon, so 40 gallons of liquid would be about 320 lbs - less than 1% of the trailer weight. I never noticed an issue and actually think it might help scrub off the level sensors if you shake things up a bit.
We alway leave with fresh filled. For us 20 gal would only be 160 lb. Charley ordered my tire sensors . Should be here Friday . Pat
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Old 07-14-2016, 03:11 AM   #189
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..... A 2017 21 will be most likely 350 lbs heavier. ......
I just heard from ETI today and although they dont have final exact weights yet....

it is my understanding that they'll have exact final 2017 weights quite soon,

and they told me... and i quote..... "it [2017 21'] is projected to go up in weight by about 200-300 lbs."


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Old 07-14-2016, 01:35 PM   #190
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We used to have a TT that had 36 gallon fresh capacity and I never noticed any difference with full, 1/2 full, or empty tanks. Ditto for our Arctic Fox truck camper that had 55 gallon (US) fresh.
How much you notice it will depend on the tank location. Escape fresh water tanks are all behind the axles.

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... a week long trip with multiple dry camping sites and variable availability of dump facillities and fresh water will leave you with variable fresh water and waste tank levels.
True. I think any RV should be able to handle changing tank contents, but there will still be an optimal condition.

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Water is about 8 lbs/gallon, so 40 gallons of liquid would be about 320 lbs - less than 1% of the trailer weight.
That's 10% of the trailer weight, not 1%. Because the tanks - particularly fresh and black - are away from the middle of the trailer, the effect on balance is greater than the effect on total weight.
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