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Old 03-05-2016, 09:32 PM   #11
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Hi Steve
Thanks for your note. Love your little icons.
We too enjoy Doran Beach and Bodega Dunes. Do include us in your future CA Escapers campout organizing efforts as it is only about 2 hours from Woodland.
As a sidebar we are headed to Fort Bragg, Pomo Campground RV Park for a 4-day outing next weekend with friends. It will be our maiden voyage for "Billie" and a good rig shakedown.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:34 AM   #12
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Congratulations Jim and Judy! We will be going to pick ours up at the end of this month. We used to live in Yuba City so we know Woodland well. We are interested in the under the bed drawers. We will private message you about this. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Old 03-06-2016, 07:54 AM   #13
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Hi CPAharley2008
Per guidance from the Escape Forum, the 500 lb. weight was the trailer tongue only on the truck scale with the trailer leveled up.
The 4100 lb. weight was with the trailer in the center off the scale also leveled up.
As I mentioned in the post the only equipment was as it was delivered from ETI plus the 2 under bed drawers Charley installed, about 6 gallons of liquid in all 3 tanks, pots and pans in the galley and the water/propane hoses. No other camp setup equipment was on board.
We did order the 2nd 6V battery, the 150 watt solar unit from ETI but nothing particularly heavy.
One if the reasons I reported out in some detail was the tare weight of the trailer alone was a bit heavier than I expected.
Any thoughts?
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Did they give you a print out? Mine showed 3800# at the axles and 500# on the tongue, total 4300# and the trailer was full of clothes, food,water for 2 weeks of camping. Perhaps that is what yours may be 500# tongue and 3600# axles. Was your front box empty, mine was full as well as propane.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:55 AM   #14
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Congrats on picking up your new trailer. Glad to hear all transactions went smoothly too. Lots of great fun ahead now. See you in Osoyoos.
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:29 AM   #15
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Your report just makes me anticipate our May date even more! Still have the hurdle of getting Colorado DMV to issue us something temporary to use when we travel north from Chilliwack for 2 months. Otherwise, there's going to be " some 'splainin' to do" to the men in blue.
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Old 03-06-2016, 02:19 PM   #16
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Hi CPAharley2008
Per guidance from the Escape Forum, the 500 lb. weight was the trailer tongue only on the truck scale with the trailer leveled up.
The 4100 lb. weight was with the trailer in the center off the scale also leveled up.
As I mentioned in the post the only equipment was as it was delivered from ETI plus the 2 under bed drawers Charley installed, about 6 gallons of liquid in all 3 tanks, pots and pans in the galley and the water/propane hoses. No other camp setup equipment was on board.
We did order the 2nd 6V battery, the 150 watt solar unit from ETI but nothing particularly heavy.
One if the reasons I reported out in some detail was the tare weight of the trailer alone was a bit heavier than I expected.
Any thoughts?
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Even assuming that the 4100 lb was the entire trailer - unhitched so the even the tongue weight was on the scale - that's still 960 pounds over the base-dry-empty spec of 3140 pounds.
Some of the difference is easy to account for:
  • 6 US gallons of water is about 50 pounds
  • The dual 6V battery setup (assuming Interstate GC2-XHD-UTL) is not just an extra battery - each battery is heavier than the base Group 27 battery (assuming Interstate SRM-27) so the net change is 78 pounds... plus extra cables and thicker cables
Were the propane tanks full? That's 40 pounds of propane not in the dry weight spec, and perhaps another 36 pounds of the tanks themselves (depending on whether or not they are included in the base-dry-empty weight; they are standard equipment).

I don't know what the drawers weigh. ?
I don't know what the pots and pans and hoses add up to. ?

The solar panel and controller, using Samlex specs for an example, is probably about 26 pounds... plus brackets, mounting hardware, and wiring.

I assume that the trailer was weighed without the weight-distribution system engaged, but the brackets are still on the trailer. That doesn't sound like much, but they're substantial chunks of steel, and all the little bits add up... maybe 10 pounds for these bits, assuming that the spring bars were not left sitting on the tongue.

What about other optional equipment? The big ones would include the air conditioner and microwave, but I assume those are not included, given the "nothing particularly heavy" note. We're only about 1/3 of the way to accounting for all of the additional weight...

In all brands of trailers, I think there's a tendency for actual weights to be a bit higher than the design calls for, since there are little bits of extra material (such as thicker fiberglass, extra screws, etc) all over the place as the builders make sure they build it well enough - they're not robots. This shouldn't be more than a few percent of the trailer weight.
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:50 PM   #17
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Yes, I did receive scale tags from the weigh master at Big Rig Scale Co. on Friday. As reported out earlier the 21' tongue weight was 500 lbs. while the entire trailer weight was 4,100 lbs.
We do have the 11,000 BTU Dometic AC as an option and both propane tanks were filled in Chilliwack before we departed for Woodland.
We don't have a microwave in the trailer nor a convection oven.
No, the EasyWay WDH was not part of the trailer weight as the hitch was on the truck and not weighed this time. I had a previous truck weight when I weighed the Casita last year.
We did order the extra insulation and have the dual glaze windows as additional options.
The front tool box has mostly bulky items and most likely doesn't weigh more than 50-60 lbs
Thanks to both of you and others for your comments on the weight differential and where it might be coming from.
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:38 PM   #18
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We do have the 11,000 BTU Dometic AC as an option and both propane tanks were filled in Chilliwack before we departed for Woodland. We don't have a microwave in the trailer nor a convection oven.
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We did order the extra insulation and have the dual glaze windows as additional options.
The air conditioner is significant (115 pounds?), and I think someone reported a weight for the windows (the insulation would be next to nothing in weight). It would be nice to have option weights to add all this stuff up, to allow for more accurate planning when ordering, but I don't think anyone has assembled that.

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No, the EasyWay WDH was not part of the trailer weight as the hitch was on the truck and not weighed this time.
Not even the brackets on the trailer frame? Doesn't really matter.
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Old 03-07-2016, 07:07 AM   #19
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Ok, so the total was 4100#, with 500# tongue would leave 3600# on axles which is fine. I was 3800# on axles, same tongue weight lead for bear so to speak. I have most of the options also.
When emptying the trailer for the new owners, I took out 7 storage tubs of items plus numerous other items, it is true, the larger space the more you want to fill it.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:35 PM   #20
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Debbie and I are approaching 3 weeks on the road since we picked up our 21 in Chilliwack. The trailer has been fantastic with all systems humming. Our V-6 Explorer is pulling just fine, especially with all the hilly climbs on Hwy. 101. Our route has taken us over the Port Townsend Ferry, west along the Olympic Peninsula, and down the Washington and Oregon Coasts. We had a wonderful venture inland to the Spring NOG in Waterloo, then back out to the coast.
Two days ago we passed into California, and this morning, May 2, we had our 10 am apt. with Eureka DMV. We got there early, about 9:25 am, and went straight to the Appointment Line. The friendly clerk said, "No Problem" about being early, and quickly consulted his supervisor to make sure he understood the import procedures. He was back in 90 seconds, handed me a form with a brief explanation, and told me to come back to him when I was done. I was back in 20 minutes. He passed me to a very nice female inspector, who quickly examined the paperwork, then asked to look at the trailer VIN. She did a quick measurement with her tape measure, and said, "Now let's go back inside for your plates".
We wrote a check, and 55 minutes after our arrival, I was using my new screwdriver for the first time.
Two more days and we will be home, with time to wash and wax before Mother's Day!

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