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Old 09-27-2015, 06:14 PM   #11
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Enjoy yourself, do not forget all those unpacked boxes you have sitting around...

Ugh...don't remind me...in fact, I've spent 'way too much time on this forum today!
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Old 09-27-2015, 06:16 PM   #12
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Canadark and Vermilye, i'm just about to sign off, and view your comments off-line later. They are well written, informative, and need more of a response. Thank you so very much though for posting! Appreciate this and all other comments. All have been very helpful and very kind..., I appreciate that so much!
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Old 09-27-2015, 09:27 PM   #13
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We have a 19 with the dinette and bed reversed. This is the configuration we saw first and thought it came that way. I was surprised standard is having the dinette up front. Dinette in back loses the queen size bed in favor of a bed about twin size in the front. We feel the larger back dinette makes the interior feel bigger. It puts us "in" the campsite as opposed to looking out the front of the trailer at the campsite entrance. Although we don't anticipate this happening, we can sit six at the table. Our table isn't on pillars. It's on a moveable spring loaded apparatus that allows it to be moved in any direction besides up and down. Finally, I put drawers under the front bed that give me easy access to the underbed storage. There are pics on this site. My wife and I have different sleep schedules. I go to bed early, she later. So, we convert the dinette to a bed every evening, not a big deal, and I sleep up front. It works well for us. We think this is a great configuration.
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:44 PM   #14
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Much older models lack quite a bit.

Canadark and Jon, thanks for the information and further insight. Makes me wonder, has anyone had difficulties or problems not having a sink in the bathroom? Or is it rather moot?

What about accessibility with the shower controls on the floor?
With the different configuration of the propane tanks to accommodate a storage trailer, would that be difficult to change and retrofit into a much older trailer that doesn't have a storage box?
Any pros and cons regarding the screen door configuration?
Changing out the fridge?

One much older trailer I am considering (pre-2007) doesn't have the thermal windows or insulation underneath. Are these things that can be retrofitted at this point? Also, for those of us living in colder climates, has this been a significant issue? Any thoughts from campers who don't have the extra insulation?

Given the age of two trailers I am considering, they seem to be comparable to similar-aged/condition Casitas I am also considering.. Especially without the insulation, thermal windows, storage box, without the higher axle, sway bars or Anderson hitch, etc. etc.

It seems that the later model Escapes have many more standard items that at least according to these forums, are almost vital or a given. Especially for resale. At least, that's my initial impression...what are your thoughts?

Yikes. I hope this does not spark another firestorm, so PLEASE don't jump all over me!

But, in comparing these older Escape models, to similar-aged and condition casita models, is there much difference, then?
I'd like to hear also, from people with older Escape trailers and those who might have had both brands. Thank you in advance!
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Old 09-28-2015, 03:20 PM   #15
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I can answer a few of your questions -

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Canadark and Jon, thanks for the information and further insight. Makes me wonder, has anyone had difficulties or problems not having a sink in the bathroom? Or is it rather moot?

What about accessibility with the shower controls on the floor?
With the different configuration of the propane tanks to accommodate a storage trailer, would that be difficult to change and retrofit into a much older trailer that doesn't have a storage box?
Since the pan for the propane tanks is welded to the frame, it would require cutting/rewelding to install the new pan in the other direction.

Any pros and cons regarding the screen door configuration?

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Changing out the fridge?
There are a limited number of models of refrigerators that will fit through the Escape door.

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One much older trailer I am considering (pre-2007) doesn't have the thermal windows or insulation underneath. Are these things that can be retrofitted at this point? Also, for those of us living in colder climates, has this been a significant issue? Any thoughts from campers who don't have the extra insulation?
While anything is possible, retrofitting to the insulation package would require completely removing the interior vinyl wall covering to add the additional insulation, then replacing the interior covering - a major job. The windows could be retrofitted, but a fairly expensive process. One of the biggest advantages of the added insulation package is less condensation during cold weather. I've also noticed that the trailer stays cooler in summer sun than my friend's Scamp.

Given the age of two trailers I am considering, they seem to be comparable to similar-aged/condition Casitas I am also considering.. Especially without the insulation, thermal windows, storage box, without the higher axle, sway bars or Anderson hitch, etc. etc.

It seems that the later model Escapes have many more standard items that at least according to these forums, are almost vital or a given. Especially for resale. At least, that's my initial impression...what are your thoughts?

Yikes. I hope this does not spark another firestorm, so PLEASE don't jump all over me!

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But, in comparing these older Escape models, to similar-aged and condition casita models, is there much difference, then?
I'd like to hear also, from people with older Escape trailers and those who might have had both brands. Thank you in advance!
There are many differences between brands of trailers, some aesthetic & some more practical. For example, most Casita 17's have a tongue weight well over 400 lbs, limiting the use of a 3500/350 rated tow vehicle. It is relatively easy to keep the tongue weight of an Escape 17B under 350 lbs.

Many complain about using rivets to attach cabinets, curtain rods, etc. Then again, there are those that are fine with the idea.

I strongly suggest looking at at least one or two examples of any brand trailer you are considering before actively searching to purchase one. While rallies are the best way to do this since there are usually many examples available, most manufacturers can supply you with the name & phone number of purchasers of their products in your area that are willing to show their trailers.

One last suggestion - While I did lots of research and settled on an Escape trailer so you can see my results, you might want to spend some time on the other fiberglass forums where owners of other brands hang out. Rather than list them here, I have a web page dedicated to fiberglass trailers that includes links to manufacturers, forums, and blogs that might be helpful.

I'm not trying to talk you out of an Escape, but asking to compare Escapes to Casitas or Scamps on an Escape forum probably will not get you the most unbiased opinions.
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Old 09-28-2015, 08:08 PM   #16
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The holding tanks have increased in capacity since we got our 2012 17B. This is a good change since the holding tank size is one of the main time-limiting factors when we are dry camping.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:25 AM   #17
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I need that extra insulation and thermal windows

Jon, as usual, you're a wealth of pertinent information. By your responses and your blogs, you've filled in a lot of the gaps for me. Thanks so much
Smaller issues aside, knowing about the insulation and thermal windows really helped. Not only from the heat/cold aspect, but also the issue of condensation. I wouldn't have known or anticipated that.
I'm so bummed....but better informed!

Holo, nice tip about the water issue. I do want the flexibility of boondocking if the situation arises. Carrying around too many or extra heavy containers just won't work for my situation.

You've all provided such "pearls" that although possibly searchable, were timely and thoughtful.
Again, much appreciated!
Ok...back to the drawing board! Gotta continue to research, learn, and search!
SO much!
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:56 AM   #18
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Real Quick here, Jon.
I spent an hour looking through your travel blogs and never ending list of links, buying an RV, and many many links dedicated to helping the newbie. A million thanks again.
Your blog is a treasure trove, and I highly recommend it! Love your accounts of your travels, too...a lifetime of wonderful family memories. Wow!
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Old 09-29-2015, 01:10 AM   #19
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One much older trailer I am considering (pre-2007) doesn't have the thermal windows or insulation underneath. Are these things that can be retrofitted at this point?
This is not entirely an old-versus-new issue, as even a 2015 Escape will not have either thermal windows or insulation underneath if those options were not ordered.

The under-floor insulation is just sprayed on, and I have not heard of any other aspect of the trailer's configuration which is changed to accommodate it. I don't know of any reason why it could not be added later, quite reasonably as long as you can get the trailer up on a lift for access.

The windows can always be removed - this is necessary to allow maintenance and repair. The only issue I see with changing them later is the very substantial cost of a whole new set of windows. Remember that the option pricing for "thermal" windows is just covering the difference in the cost of the windows themselves between single-pane and double-pane (or "thermal), but when you replace them you have the entire cost of the thermal windows, plus removal labour, plus installation labour, plus some supplies (sealant).
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:38 AM   #20
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Insulation and thermal windows

Hi Brian, ok...good points and elucidation.
So, there IS insulation within the walls of older models, but perhaps just not the undercarriage?
From my attempts at searches, I thought that any, as well as "extra" insulation was a later development.

Regarding my search of older "solds " (early Escape models), hardly a mention was made about insulation. Ditto for the ones I was considering buying; they don't have it. It just seems that most newer models have at least the undercarriage insulation, if not thicker insulation in the walls(?). Just my observation.

This is something I'll have to clarify with ETI. It could be a model year development, both in the standard production, as well as an option.
There also may have been subtleties in the thickness, type of material, etc.
this is just something I personally can't compromise on.

Yes, Jon also pointed out the after-market possibility of adding thermal windows. As you both know, the labour can add up!
It wouldn't be such an issue, except that the sellers of these older trailers may have to realize that their selling price may have to reflect this very big difference in their trailer vs. newer models. Right now, they're trying to compare apples to apples, when it clearly is not the case.

From what I can see, the extra insulation trend along with thermal windows has only grown over the years to a " must have". Both for comfort, as well as maintenance.
Again, I'll check it out further.
Thanks so much for your addition and comment! Appreciated, as always!
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