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Old 09-27-2015, 03:46 PM   #1
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Question Changes and new standards comparing old to new models

Hello to the Escape Community!

Where can I find all about any changes in the evolution of the Escape trailer models over the years? Specifically, the 17B.

In my search for used models, I haven't been able to find this comparative information.

So, if anyone has anything to offer, please do!

I'm looking for changes along the way from 2004 all the way up to the present.

Including, but not limited to the following:
1. Changes in floor plans
2. Changes/upgrades/monitors in major appliance/system locations.
3. Safety modifications - what year(s).
4. Changes in what was "standard" vs. options.
5. Problems/recalls in older models.
6. Additions/modifications made at the factory that improved the trailer experience, function, safety, etc.
7. Any "downsides" or major problems buyers found after procuring an older model?

Also, if there's anything to look out for in a much older model that may need addressing.

If I've forgotten something on the list, please add! I'm not sure if I'm missing anything...
Thanks SO much!
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:10 PM   #2
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Perhaps Escape Trailers may be a good starting point in your quest. AFAIK, there has only been one Escape 17 model, some with and some without a bath, but otherwise the same front and rear layouts and options. Also the a/c was wall mounted in earlier models but now located on the roof. The option/standard list has grown over the years as more members ask for the same item, for example the digital thermostat. The other changes have just been supplier changes, causing Escape changes.
Have you seen an Escape 17 yet?
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:39 PM   #3
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Hi there Jim. Thanks for some very good and concise info!
So aside from no change in the floor plan, the changes in location or monitors, switches or indicators is what I'm primarily looking for. Some of these of course address both the updating as well as safety modifications I was wondering about.

Knowing about the A/C change in location also helps.

No, I haven't viewed the interior of escape in person yet. Was hoping to do so this past weekend. Unfortunately, I could not attend this past weekend's rally. But I do know there are several owners near me and I can visit them in the very near future.

I've looked at the escape training video, as well as others posted online. So this gives me a good idea of the layout that newer models have, along with some of the technological items added, changed, or upgraded.
I haven't seen videos of much older models however, and don't know if they have these upgrades or what model year incorporates such changes. Hence the questions.

So if you or anyone else could elucidate further, it would be most appreciated. Thank you!
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:56 PM   #4
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I think Jim's summary is good.

Although some models have been available with or without a bathroom, I'm not aware of any floor plan changes.

Model range changes:
  • Additional models added (originally was only the 17 Foot)
  • The 13 Foot was discontinued.
  • The 15 Foot was discontinued.
  • The original 5.0 was replaced by the 5.0TA.

Some equipment changes - not all are due to changes by suppliers
  • scissors-type stabilizer jacks replaced by single-leg type
  • single-leg stabilizer model changed
  • furnace model changed from 8012 to AFSAD12 (Atwood discontinued original model)
  • coupler brand/model changed
  • brand of converter / power distribution panel changed

Some design changes
  • sewage outlet plumbing configuration changed on at least one model
  • low-point plumbing drains eliminated
  • frame bend design changed (from bent to welded mitre)
  • main frame member size changed on 15', 17' and 19' (from 1.5"x3" to 2"x4")
  • upward offset in tongue of 17' removed, then restored
  • start angle of Torflex suspension changed to raise ride height
  • dual propane tanks on 17' changed from inline to across tongue (to accommodate storage box)
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As far as monitors or switches, that is up to the owner's preference or there maybe a factory location. Escape is very flexible. I'd suggest you look here thru the build pictures to get an idea http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f1...iday-3244.html
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:43 PM   #6
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Brian, your list was golden! Thank you so very much! Even the most subtle change like the location of a drain or an outlet is important for me to know. It has to do with my physical abilities and accessibility.
So I really appreciated you taking the time to write this list, and as comprehensive as it was! huge thanks!
Now I shall add it to my ever growing list of things to know!
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:49 PM   #7
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More helpful stuff!

Hi Jim, again, I love reading your comments, as you give such good advice and info! I also appreciate the time you take to explain things, especially to us newbies.

Your patience and kindness is very much appreciated

I will certainly take your advice and look through those and try to locate things that are important to me. thanks so much again!
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:51 PM   #8
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:52 PM   #9
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There's a 2005 Escape 17B for sale in Washington state posted here: 2005 17Ft Escape | Eatonville, WA | Fiberglass RV's For Sale

In the photos you can see the exact location of the Air Conditioning unit, above the refrigerator on the passenger side (A/C is roof mounted now). Also note that the toilet is on the left side of the bath (it is on the right side now) and there is no bathroom sink. The shower controls are near the floor. The bathroom door is on the right side of the enclosure (it is on the left side of the enclosure in current 17Bs).

There is a bi-fold screen door instead of a retractable one.

I have no idea when these changes were implemented, but when shopping it would be something to ask about on a used one.
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One of the problems with a list of changes is many trailers have been custom built. For example, one design change I'm interested in is a 19 with the table & bed reversed. Escape has built at least one that way. Because Escape is willing to consider many changes in accessories & layout, every trailer you look at MAY be changed from stock.

You can add to Brian's list changes in the refrigerator. For example, I have the 5 cu ft fridge in my 2011 17B. It was an option at the time, but is no longer available. They have also switched from the single door to the two door refrigerator for the option in the larger trailers.

I believe there have also been some changes in the size of the fresh water, gray & black tanks over the years.

Again, it probably would be best to look at each trailer as an individual product since both Escape & the owners make many modifications or changes.
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