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Old 01-02-2017, 02:16 PM   #11
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I am finally considering extra installation for our trailer. We didn't think we needed it since we live down south and don't plan to do cold-weather camping. But a couple of people told us it would be helpful in hot weather and we wouldn't have to run our air-conditioner as much.
I noticed that thermal windows come with that option, But my husband really likes the Side to side sliding windows to let fresh air pour in on good weather days. don't think side to side sliding windows come insulated do they?
you can get the non-frameless insulated windows (slider type) and the extra insulation.... saves money versus frameless windows too if that is important......
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:30 PM   #12
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I have not seen the new awning style windows in person, so I'm just asking out of curiosity regarding security, not paranoia. How easy might it be for some mischief-maker to simply grab the bottom of the window, give it a quick jerk outward, and break the open/close mechanism to gain access to the camper? Again, just asking because I've never seen it or checked it out in person regarding how security it is. And yes, I understand that all windows can be broken and with enough determination all campers can be broken into in one way or another. My question is about the security of this particular new awning-style window.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:33 PM   #13
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I have not seen the new awning style windows in person, so I'm just asking out of curiosity regarding security, not paranoia. How easy might it be for some mischief-maker to simply grab the bottom of the window, give it a quick jerk outward, and break the open/close mechanism to gain access to the camper? Again, just asking because I've never seen it or checked it out in person regarding how security it is. And yes, I understand that all windows can be broken and with enough determination all campers can be broken into in one way or another. My question is about the security of this particular new awning-style window.
Might be faster and easier to just use a cordless Sawzall to cut access.

I bet the new windows are at least as tough to break in through as the older style sliders.
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Old 01-02-2017, 02:56 PM   #14
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I have not seen the new awning style windows in person, so I'm just asking out of curiosity regarding security, not paranoia. How easy might it be for some mischief-maker to simply grab the bottom of the window, give it a quick jerk outward, and break the open/close mechanism to gain access to the camper? Again, just asking because I've never seen it or checked it out in person regarding how security it is. And yes, I understand that all windows can be broken and with enough determination all campers can be broken into in one way or another. My question is about the security of this particular new awning-style window.
View from my post here

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Old 01-02-2017, 03:45 PM   #15
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Steve, our house has the same windows and similar insulation but no heating bills, just a bit of electric bill during the summer.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:29 PM   #16
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I remain puzzled as to where the idea came from that the awning windows let less air in. ...... Again, no question in my mind, the new windows are better, a good deal and desirable in both hot and cold climates.
I believe back when they were first installed, the person who took the pictures made that comment, it was their opinion only.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:33 PM   #17
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you can get the non-frameless insulated windows (slider type) and the extra insulation.... saves money versus frameless windows too if that is important......
Extra insulation only comes with the frameless windows now.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:23 PM   #18
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I remain puzzled as to where the idea came from that the awning windows let less air in.
If you read the big sticky forums those trailers that have had the frameless windows for a number of years now, that comment isn't uncommon from people that have had both types sliders vs frameless in use in the wild. Perhaps that is where that came from, but really don't know one way or another.
It will be good to hear from Escape folks that have the new windows how they fare over the next two to three years as that will be the true comparison.
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Given the number of windows in an Escape, ventilation should not be a problem. For their large size, some other RVs sure have very few opening windows. Given ventilation area vs inside volume, an Escape will be right on top, even with the new windows.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:47 PM   #20
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Extra insulation only comes with the frameless windows now.
This isn't what I recalled, so I checked the Escape website. I had the Escape 21' page open in my browser and checked the Options list which included both of these:
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Extra Insulation & Thermal Windows $1000.00
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Extra Insulation & Frame-less Thermal Windows (Includes Opening Rear Window) $1,500.00
The lists for all of the other models showed only the frameless "thermal" windows with insulation. I thought the website was incorrect (and posted that), but reloaded the 21' page and the non-frameless option disappeared. This must be a very recent change... but yes, it does look like the wall/ceiling insulation package is now available only with the "frameless" windows.
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