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Old 01-22-2018, 10:10 PM   #11
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I get the concept. I didn't say it was the incremental rate. It was what I paid on average per kW-hr including fixed and variable charges for the billing period. That is the important number for my purposes.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:24 PM   #12
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The price of electricity varies substantially by area - due largely to different cost of generation - with distinct steps across provincial boundaries because generation and distribution of electricity is provincially regulated.
The difference between Manitoba and Ontario electricity costs is one reason we're glad we left ON. The following is for large power customers but reflects the big difference between North American cities, especially Winnipeg & Montreal compared to New York and Toronto. Manitoba's production is almost completely hydroelectric where Ontario's is mainly nuclear. Our biggest cost is in transmission from the far north of the province to the populated south.

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Old 01-22-2018, 10:39 PM   #13
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Soon they are going to switch us to time of use too. Maybe set the clock to get up at 2am to make some toast ? Pat
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Go onto So.Calif.Edison's website. You should soon be able to select whether to accept the new time-of-use rate structure, or, like we're going to do, remain on a fixed rate for each tier, regardless of time of day.

https://www.sce.com/wps/portal/home/...vZ0FBIS9nQSEh/
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:56 PM   #14
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I get the concept. I didn't say it was the incremental rate. It was what I paid on average per kW-hr including fixed and variable charges for the billing period. That is the important number for my purposes.
Agreed, but for someone wanting to run a business which sucks back so much power that the location is chosen for cheap power, the fixed monthly cost will be irrelevant.
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:15 AM   #15
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Go onto So.Calif.Edison's website. You should soon be able to select whether to accept the new time-of-use rate structure, or, like we're going to do, remain on a fixed rate for each tier, regardless of time of day.

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Thankyou Don lots of information to go through . We would rather stay on fixed rate for each tier too. Don did you get a Smart Meter ? We opted out and don't have it . Linda said they wouldn't be able to figure when we are using electricity not having the Smart Meter . Do you know if that would be true ? Pat
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Linda said they wouldn't be able to figure when we are using electricity not having the Smart Meter . Do you know if that if that would be true ? Pat
So, they'll just charge you at the highest rate.
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So, they'll just charge you at the highest rate.
Glen got to figure this all out . It drives them nuts you don't have a Smart Meter already . Out of 9 kids , 2 having cancer we didn't want their Smart Meter . It was developed by the Military and it is microwave technology. Right now they play a game of you getting a low estimated bill , then the next billing does catch up and it 2-3 times higher . It happens to all of us without the Smart Meter . Got to figure what is the best way to go for us . Pat
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I presume you watch TV. You do use a computer. You probably have a stove, a microwave, a coffee maker, a dishwasher. How do you avoid the sun in the morning? What are you going to do about gravity? There are 'waves' everywhere.
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We put a solar lease 7.5kw system on about 7 years ago and went to the time adv plan where expensive is during day when solar is cranking. Haven’t paid much in power bills since, and solar lease is way less than power. Usually power bills lower considerably when on one of the time plans.
The smart meter has changed our cabin electric in the mountains tremendously. It used to have quite a few outages for hours at at time, but the electric co sees the issue before we do and there are very few outages there now and usually only for about 5min.
If you run AC much the local installer recommends a “super cooling”plan with a time plan and a programmable thermostat that saves significant $$ if you follow it.
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When we built our cabin ( All electric ,No gas) the local utility wanted us to go off peak .The cost of the off peak equipment was $700 to $800 and you had to buy the off peak package from the utility . A few years later the Utility decided this wasn't working for them and dropped the off peak rate . Both meters were billed at the highest rate plus because there is a meter reading charge they tried to bill you for reading 2 electric meters
The utility is a small private concern and pretty well does what it wants. We lost power for 2 weeks one time because the utility refused to pay overtime or hire linemen from neighboring utilities.
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