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Old 07-01-2016, 04:10 PM   #61
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I agree with baglo - the Canadian dollar is not particularly low now compared to the Euro. Those European visitors are getting about the value for their money here as they have since 2014 or 2007 through 2009.

In contrast, the last year has been a bad time for Europeans to spend their money in the United States - they don't get much value for their money compared to the previous several years.

(from XE.com - EUR/CAD Chart and XE.com - EUR/USD Chart)
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:15 PM   #62
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[QUOTE=Brian B-P;149705]You cancel, so it doesn't cost you for the reservation or the campsite. The idea is to discourage those who deliberately ditch the first day.
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But it does cost you the reservation fee and that's what the original post is referring to with the term 'rip-off'!!
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You cancel, so it doesn't cost you for the reservation or the campsite. The idea is to discourage those who deliberately ditch the first day.
But it does cost you the reservation fee and that's what the original post is referring to with the term 'rip-off'!!
Hmm... I think we're mixing up the original item (there is a fee to reserve a BC site) and the suggested solutions to cheating on reservations and the consequences.

Sure, if a reservation fee is non-refundable or if it can only be refunded by calling ahead, having a breakdown (especially out of phone service) could cost a few dollars in reservation fees. Oh well, I don't think the world will end; if I have a breakdown - especially in an area with no communications service - the reservation fee is going to be least of my concerns. The alternative would be that people would reserve sites just in case they happened to want it (e.g. reserve four possible locations, go where you feel like that day, cancel the rest), which would result in more people unable to reserve sites that they genuinely intend to use.
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:27 PM   #64
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I agree with baglo - the Canadian dollar is not particularly low now compared to the Euro. Those European visitors are getting about the value for their money here as they have since 2014 or 2007 through 2009.

In contrast, the last year has been a bad time for Europeans to spend their money in the United States - they don't get much value for their money compared to the previous several years.

(from XE.com - EUR/CAD Chart and XE.com - EUR/USD Chart)
It's not anything to do with whether the value is higher or lower historically, it is that they are not getting the best deal currently in USD vs CAD which is where you end up in the last para.
Today it's approx 1 Eur to 1.43 CAD vs 1 Eur to 1.13 US. Canada is the value for them right now if they choose between the 2 to travel. US was in that position a few years back and our parks were packed with foreign visitors, similar to what the poster is observing in the CAD parks currently.
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I had an interesting discussion with another guest at a hotel in Banff several years ago. He was British, and on a ski vacation with his family (yes, it was winter at a ski resort, not a confused tourist looking for igloos in July ) His family had stumbled onto Banff as an alternative to continental Europe for their annual ski vacation - lower cost (even after including airfare a quarter of the way around the world) and skiing which was just as good. What I found hilarious was that we were in a luxury resort (or in my case, business convention) hotel and he was paying full price for the room! Everything is relative to your other alternatives...

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Today it's approx 1 Eur to 1.43 CAD vs 1 Eur to 1.13 US. Canada is the value for them right now if they choose between the 2 to travel.
Although current currency conditions may have driven European visitors out of the U.S., there's no way to know which North American country is the better deal for them unless you also consider prices. It doesn't matter that one Euro buys them CA$1.43 rather than US$1.13, if what costs them CA$1.43 in Canada only costs them a dollar in the U.S... which is probably true. Maybe they're better off (can buy more food, fuel, etc) by getting 20.45 Mexican pesos for their euro? For visitors from Spain, they wouldn't even have a language issue.
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Hmm... I think we're mixing up the original item (there is a fee to reserve a BC site) and the suggested solutions to cheating on reservations and the consequences.

Sure, if a reservation fee is non-refundable or if it can only be refunded by calling ahead, having a breakdown (especially out of phone service) could cost a few dollars in reservation fees. Oh well, I don't think the world will end; if I have a breakdown - especially in an area with no communications service - the reservation fee is going to be least of my concerns. The alternative would be that people would reserve sites just in case they happened to want it (e.g. reserve four possible locations, go where you feel like that day, cancel the rest), which would result in more people unable to reserve sites that they genuinely intend to use.
Actually what happens is, if a camper reserves a bc provincial camp site for three days. He/she is charged the daily rate plus a reservation fee for those three days. If the campers plans change and he/she cancels the reservation he/she looses the reservation fee for those three days but is refunded the daily rate. That is a rip off as I see it in my original post.
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Campers angry, death threat issued over B.C.’s campsite reservation system | CTV Vancouver News
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From the article.......

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A couple from Salmon Arm has made a business out of helping Europeans book campsites. Now they say they are being falsely accused of scalping – and they’ve even had a death threat over it.

“They threaten that they know where to find us, and they will come to Salmon Arm and it won't end well,” said Carla Van der Kraats, co-owner of Canadian Camping Adventures.
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The practice of a company booking blocks of sites for anyone foreigners to BC or not rubs me the wrong way in a big way.


This article discusses the company selling to overseas customers more fully

B.C. campers face a sold-out summer as private companies ‘block’ them out of provincial campsites | National Post
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I'd have no problem if private companies booked blocks of sites at private campgrounds but not at our provincial CG.

We drove up to Wells Gray (admittedly without reservations but during the shoulder season) and got "left overs" because of this issue. Actually at the time I was stuck by how few locals were going up to Wells Grey. The waterfalls are awesome. It is a beautiful park.

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A big part of the problem is simple capacity. Expanding existing campgrounds and adding new ones of course is not easy due to all the regulatory hoops however as the population grows this will need to be done or the problems will get worse.
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