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Old 03-19-2016, 03:27 PM   #51
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I didn't realize the 5.0TA had more headroom.
The 5.0TA body is based on the 21', with the roof sloped up to meet the loft area. The extra headroom (increasing toward the front) is a bonus.
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Old 03-19-2016, 04:34 PM   #52
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The fact that molded fiberglass has less areas for leaks is a definitely a strong point. But it seems like there are still lots of areas that can leak and need maintenance …A/C, vents, windows, pipes, side seam etc. I think a stronger point is less cosmetic and structural damage when the eventual leak does shows up.
Yes, that's exactly my thought. The fiberglass is not going to get destroyed by leaks. I read all those leak reports here and although there was definitely water intrusion, I have yet to read of any significant damage. The problem with stick RV siding is that it goes cosmetically bad instantly, destroying resale value. I don't care that much about having a little water coming in, but these things are expensive and I want them to retain value.

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The guy in this video sold his Oliver Legacy Elite II for an Arctic Fox and is very happy too. That's the Elite II with a 48k base price! You can see my little conversation with him in the comment section.
This is an exaggeration, but sometimes I feel like we must be the only people in the RV world that have continually downsized. We started with an Eclipse TT that had a permanent bed, dry bath, full dinette, and couch. Next we went to the AF 990 and lost the couch and dry bath. Now we are looking into getting a 17B which is tiny by comparison.

Most RV people go continuously bigger, so to the move to a stick-built is really the only place to go if you want a lot of space.
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Old 03-19-2016, 07:53 PM   #53
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The fact that molded fiberglass has less areas for leaks is a definitely a strong point. But it seems like there are still lots of areas that can leak and need maintenance A/C, vents, windows, pipes, side seam etc.
The seam between the two main parts of the body (which is a horizontal "waistline" in most moulded trailers including the Escape, but down the vertical centre plane in a few designs) is problematic in some brands. Some are only screwed together at this point, which is an invitation for problems. Most are fiberglassed over on the inside, effectively becoming one shell unit, but the details differ. The mechanical design of Boler (copied by Scamp and Casita) joint is an invitation to failure, and so the fiberglass over it on the inside does occasionally crack. The original Trillium had a bunch of washers and rivets clamping the edges together, which must have seemed like a good idea but caused all sorts of problems when the washers rusted; Escape copied the shape of the Trillium, but not this feature of the seam design.

A feature which may be unique to Escape is that upper and lower the shell parts are mated edge-to-edge while still in the moulds, so that they can be 'glassed together securely without other materials to cause problems. The band around the outside is just a cosmetic cover over the join line. Leaks in this seam are one thing I wouldn't be concerned about, although the various openings are a legitimate concern, as with any RV.
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Old 03-19-2016, 08:17 PM   #54
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This is a picture I shared over at FiberglassRV of an ETI 5er coming out of the molds.
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Here's an Oliver
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Old 03-19-2016, 11:06 PM   #55
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Here's an older description of the way the two parts are brought together:
Escape Trailer: Escape Factory Photos - Demolding (post #42)

I don't recall seeing photos of the actual 'glassing of the seam on the inside.
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Ten years later, I'm thinking the same "demolding" occurs... or even better!
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:56 AM   #57
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Here's an older description of the way the two parts are brought together:
Escape Trailer: Escape Factory Photos - Demolding (post #42)

I don't recall seeing photos of the actual 'glassing of the seam on the inside.
No inside pic, but here is a tech getting ready to go inside to bond the halves of a 17 a few years ago...
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Old 03-20-2016, 01:10 PM   #58
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Currently own an Artic Fox 29 -5T fifthwheel. Purchased it brand new in 2014. Would I buy another one?......... Not sure. Found lots of errors that could have been avoided with better quality control during manufacturing. And running into a few AF owners while on the road who also have been disappointed. Sad for us because they are a local business up in the PNW that we wanted to believe in. Just my point of view. But take note,...... I am not spending my future time on their website or forum , am I? Hoping to believe again in a company rated for their great customer service,...... ETI.
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Old 03-25-2016, 04:37 PM   #59
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Someone at Northwoods sure has a flair for written B.S. I'm pretty sure that means a bunch of layers glued together, like every other conventional modern RV.
  • one-piece: the whole wall is one multi-layer panel
  • continuous fiberglass: Filon or similar sheet of extruded fiberglass exterior sheet
  • polyurethane laminated: layers glued together with urethane glue
  • multi-layered: fiberglass, plywood, foam insulation, plywood
  • substrate: the plywood
It's anyone's guess what "corona treated" means. The author of the spec page probably doesn't, since that author doesn't understand that a "slam latch" is a latch you can slam closed (no need to hold the handle open while closing the door), and isn't an acronym... "SLAM".
Ha ha, I thought the same thing when I read that section. But to be fair Corona treatment is a real thing:

"Corona treatment is a high frequency discharge that increases the adhesion of a plastic surface. "

What is Corona Treatment - By the inventors of Corona

Does it help make the walls more durable? I don't know. I do know there are many ways to build an RV wall including different materials, adhesives and pressure techniques ("pinch rolled" vs "vacuum sealed") etc. And then there is how the manufacturer executes the actual build. There are some RVs prone to problems and some that look great for the life of the trailer. If Arctic Fox had problems in the past, I'd bet their current technique is pretty good. For instance, they started re-building their own chassis after having problems with factory bought Lipperts last decade.
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Brian, thanks for the seam info. Donna and Paul, thanks for the pics. Not having to worry about the seam is a plus.
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