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Old 01-14-2014, 09:39 PM   #31
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Thus the chains and electrical and emergency cables are the order of increasing length for the proper set up? Thus 24" chains, 36" electrical and 48" emergency cable lengths from the coupler?
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You may have hit it there.
I keep an eye on my brake controller because I've lost contact with the trailer from time to time. I've tried zap-straps etc. to secure it, but it wouldn't take much to separate at the TV. If the trailer came off the ball, I would almost certainly lose power to the trailer brakes and I'd want them to automatically come on.
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Thus the chains and electrical and emergency cables are the order of increasing length for the proper set up? Thus 24" chains, 36" electrical and 48" emergency cable lengths from the coupler?
Too many depends to set rules.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:01 PM   #34
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Thus the chains and electrical and emergency cables are the order of increasing length for the proper set up? Thus 24" chains, 36" electrical and 48" emergency cable lengths from the coupler?
If the chains are shorter than the others - as in this example - then it seems to me that neither of the other two will pull out, so which is longer doesn't matter much (if the hitch fails and the chains break, both electrical and breakaway cables will likely rip out immediately)... so that example would work.

If the chains are longer than the others, then I think the breakaway cable should be the next in the series to go
e.g. 24" breakaway, 36" electrical, and 48" chains (although that's way too much slack in all of them!)

Remember that all of these cables/chains attach at different points on the trailer, so the measurement of interest is the amount of slack. i.e. how much the trailer can pull away from the hook-up position before that chain/cable becomes tight. For chains to work well and hold the tongue off the ground in the case of hitch failure, they need to have very little slack, so it seems reasonable to me to assume that the chains should always have the least slack.

I think the combined solution is then
  1. chains with least slack
  2. breakaway cable with more slack
  3. electrical cable with even more slack

So, if your ball fails, the trailer will fall back/into the chains, with the others still connected. If the chains then fail, or allow more movement than planned, the breakaway cable will apply the trailer brakes. Finally, if the trailer becomes completely disconnected the last thing to be lost is the electrical cable.

Of course, turning affects the slack in differently routed cables/chains differently, so all may not go as planned.

That's just my reasoning. And yes, both chains and breakaway cable need to attach to the vehicle or hitch receiver structure, not to anything detachable such as the ball or ball mount.
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Or, how about, I'm gonna just keep doing what I've been doing, because I've been doing it for years and it has worked so far?
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Or, how about, I'm gonna just keep doing what I've been doing, because I've been doing it for years and it has worked so far?
Sure... But how many times has your trailer come off the ball or has a component of the hitch (ball, mount, etc) failed? If zero - like me - there's no way to know if the setup works or not; no safety chains or breakaway switch at all would have worked equally well.
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But, how many times have you read "it's worked just fine", over on that other site? That's why all the smiley faces.
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Just a thought quoted here...

BREAKAWAY CONTROLLER REQUIRED:
A breakaway brake controller must be used so that all trailer brakes will be automatically applied in case of an accidental breakaway of the towed vehicle. This is required by all 50 states.
A typical electric breakaway controller has a sealed 12-volt gel cell battery and switch that are mounted on the trailer and wired into the brake circuit. The switch is connected to the towing vehicle by a small wire rope (the cable must be secured to the towing vehicle, not to
the safety chain nor any part of the hitch ball or ball mount). If the hitch separates or fails, the cable pulls the “key” from the switch, allowing the contacts to close and 12 volts will be applied to the
brakes.
Adjust the length of the cable or lanyard from the key to the tow vehicle frame so that the brakes are applied before the safety chains break. Regulations do not state whether the
brakes must apply before the safety chains break. However, if the brakes are applied and the safety chains hold, the emergency braking keeps the trailer directly behind the towing vehicle so you can stop under control. This also keeps the trailer from slamming into the rear of the tow vehicle, minimizing damage.
Should the safety chains fail before the brakes are applied (meaning your safety chains were not the right size or were improperly attached), the trailer ought to at least stop somewhere nearby, but it may collide with other vehicles before it stops.


REFERENCES:
Tennessee Code Annotated:
Definitions: (55-1-103, subpart (3))
Requirements for brakes: (55-9-204, subpart (a)).
Farm use exemption: (55-9-204 subpart (e))
Breakaway controller (55-9-204 subpart (c)(1))
Surge brakes: (55-9-204, subpart (c)(2))
Braking performance: (55-9-205, subparts (a), (d))
Parking brake: (55-9-205, subpart (b))
Brake maintenance: (55-9-205, subpart (e)) (Tennessee General Assembly Main Page)
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration Regulations, 49 CFR 393, Subpart C
393.41 -- Parking brake system. 393.42 -- Brakes required on all wheels. 393.43 -- Breakaway and emergency braking. 393.48 -- Brakes to be operative. 393.49 -- Single valve to operate all brakes. 393.52 -- Brake performance.
(http://mchs.fhwa.dot.gov)
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Excellent research Doug.
I would conclude then that the break-away cable shouldn't be attached to the same location as the chains ( the hitch receiver ) or the hitch pin.
One needs to find an attachment point on the frame ( which might be difficult, given few vehicles have frames these days ).
I guess one could have a ring welded to the unibody easily enough.
Problem is the terms used. If it's not to be attached to the ball or ball mount, would it be OK to attach it to the hitch receiver?
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My 2006 Starcraft does not have a separate batter/charger for the breakaway cable, I take it this is a relatively new development. I'll have to look into the need to replace it before I sell the trailer.
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