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Old 03-22-2016, 10:46 PM   #1
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Want A Better Cook Top

We've been Escaping now 2/12 years, first with a 17 and now a 21. Both have the two burner Atwood cook top or stove and we are searching for something better. As Leon W aptly put it: "This is our Forever Trailer". Like that.
Want something that simmers better and lights easier and looks nice. I've learned to sleep with a butane lighter(recommended by the helpful hardware Ace dude in Gunnison, CO), yet that's just seems wrong Trying to keep the flame low by going to almost off is tricky; the lowest setting on the small burner is often still too high. Atwoods burners are 7200/5200 BTU. Looks are, well OK.

Love Chris R's fabulous 5.0TA custom, and know he agrees there is not a lot to choose from out there. Looked at the Dickinson 2 burner drop-in unit, however their two burners are 11,000/7,000 BTU so I have reservations about the low simmer there too.

After searching around I am thinking the Summit GC2BGL with an 8350/3400 BTu rating might be the one. It is less than 3" wider than the Atwood, but has a glass top, which I love on our home induction cooktop for cleaning, and has sealed burners and electronic ignition. It can be lit with a match too if no electric power is available. It does have a thermocouple flame failure protection as does the Dickinson. Is this just another spare to have to tote? Do people have any problems with the ovens? Other than that the dimensions seem great and the big burner is towards the sink rather than the wall as those with an Atwood have when turning it 90 degrees.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:26 PM   #2
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Actually, enclosed burners with a glass top sounds wonderful! I love our glass top at home and would be thrilled to have one in The Trailer, if possible.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:40 PM   #3
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Looks like a nice appliance. It appears to be recessed 2 inches into the counter - I don't know if that would require some cabinet planning or modification. I like that it has electronic ignition... but it's too bad that as a home appliance it runs on 120V AC; I suppose it uses so little that a small inverter could maintain convenience when on battery power. With the cast iron grate it weighs 15 pounds - not a problem, but another contribution to total weight.
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Dickinson 2 burner drop-in unit, however their two burners are 11,000/7,000 BTU so I have reservations about the low simmer there too.
Here is some feedback on the Dickinson. Although the burners are 11K and 7K BTU, both do simmer way better than the stock cooktop/burners. In addition, the flame is spread out and not concentrated in a small spot. This is good for simmering and normal cooking.
Another factor is the hole size in the counter for the stock 2 burner, it is smaller than the Dickinson, so enlarging the hole for the new one will work (as long as you do not have the stock one turner 90 degrees). The only real challenge is replacing the copper propane line as there should not be any propane pipe joints within the trailer except for the connection to the cooktop.
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I got to see Chris's Dickinson installed, and it looks great. It has a the look of being solid, unlike the standard RV cooktop. As he mentions here, he had confirmed what I kinda knew, and showed me just how low the one burner goes. Nice.

I picked the one up I had ordered many months ago (kinda seems like years now) from Dickinson and took it to Escape 3 weeks back. It is funny that this might be the only idea that Chris got from me, as I am going to use a bunch of his well thought out ideas in my trailer.

I had done a great deal of research on stovetops, and almost exclusively the better ones are the marine ones. I settled on Dickinson for all the good reviews I heard, the features it offered, and the price and availability. They are not cheap, but nothing of quality is. You can always get it a fair bit less than what is advertised on their site.

I was also looking for stainless steel, to match the sink and tap I am using. The Dickinson comes with a cutting board that drops in flush with the countertop, which was a big selling point for me. We had a flush lid on our stove in the 19, a feature we took advantage of all the time. The sink had a cover too, but as it was used way more seldom got cover, but the stove, quite a lot.

That summit does look like a nice stove. I had not come across it. It is 2 5/8" narrower and 1 3/4" less deep if that matters. Not a lot of size savings, but that is a fair bit on the smaller countertop. I believe that it is intended for home use, and not RV use, thought that may not matter. I love the cast grate, but will it stay in place bouncing down the road. I know it comes with an LP conversion kit, but I would confirm that it works well at 11" water column.
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Just a weeeee bit pricey, though. Have to admit the Summit is a really nice looking cooktop. Found on EBay, for $400.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:09 AM   #7
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Thanks for the replies; have confirmed it is 11" WC- stated on P2 of manual. Brian, I agree about the ignition source of 120V not being ideal and see that their 4 burner units offer battery spark ignition. Have emailed them to see if that would be available somehow on their two burner units. I see the Dickinson has this feature, and while I like the unit am shying away from SS finish out of personal preference.

Actually the Verona VECTG212FDW has the finish I want but is 10,000/6,000 BTU. Am trying to get more information from them as well, but have heard previously from them that they do sell their 2 burner stoves for RV use.

Edit: Myron- I've seen them for $309.
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I researched cooktops extensively when it was time to replace the one in my Scamp. The only ones I liked were the Dickinson and the SMEV. Both have the advantage of becoming flat counter space when not in use. I went with the SMEV as I didn't want big burners, it was less expensive, lighter, and just suited the Scamp better. I've been quite happy with it.
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Just an FYI...When looking at btu ratings, be aware that if the rating is given for natural gas when converted to propane the btu rating will be decreased by approximately 20%.
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Good to know; thanks. Also have learned from a Verona rep that good simmer range by definition is 500-600 BTU's which is hard to find in better residential units. Instead, a simmer plate seems to be the solution- did not know that- but my wife did So for about $20 that problem is resolved. As far as the rest of it am thinking it may likely be more trouble than its worth. Custom gas line is one of the considerations as it isn't code to use fittings inside an RV.
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The only real challenge is replacing the copper propane line as there should not be any propane pipe joints within the trailer except for the connection to the cooktop.
Can you elaborate Chris? I've never checked the connection from the original cooktop to the gas line. Are you saying it's not a 3/8" flare, or that it isn't going to reach the Dickinson's fitting?
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I think what he is saying that the new and old connection must be the same, no modifying the tubing length or adding a connection is allowed. The size of the tubing should be the same.
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The tubing size is fine, but was not long enough for the installation of the Dickinson that Chris did. He needed to splice in a longer line, and had to make the splice outside of the trailer, as the only connection allowed inside is the one at an appliance.
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Can you elaborate Chris? I've never checked the connection from the original cooktop to the gas line. Are you saying it's not a 3/8" flare, or that it isn't going to reach the Dickinson's fitting?
I will do my best here. The existing copper pipe is bent thru several 90s to connect to the cooktop stove thru a hole on the left side at the back. The Dickinson connection is at the back right side, therefore the stock pipe will not fit or reach even if it was re-bent. A new 3/8 pipe is needed. The connection on the Dickinson is standard 3/8 gas flare, same as the stock cooktop. As mentioned, the new pipe must be connected outside the living area of the trailer, so connecting it where the original was works well. Bending 3/8 pipe is fairly easy with a hand bender.
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So it looks like there are two potential gas line issues:
  1. The stock Escape line is set up for the stock stove, so is unlikely to reach a different location used by any other stove; that means a new line (all the way to under the floor to avoid extra connections) is needed. This takes work, but as long as the time and/or cost is planned for, it doesn't seem like a big problem. If Escape installs your non-stock cooktop, it is non-issue for the owner.
  2. The Escape tubing will be 3/8" (nominal) copper gas line, which can readily be terminated in a flare, but a non-stock cooktop might use a different connection... especially if it is built for a market other than North American homes or RVs. If an adapter is required to connect 3/8" copper to the stove, that would be an extra and possibly not allowed connection. A potential fix might be doing the adapting below floor level.

This all looks quite manageable if a different cooktop is important.
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Thanks Chris and all. So it won't reach. Got it.
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Just an FYI...When looking at btu ratings, be aware that if the rating is given for natural gas when converted to propane the btu rating will be decreased by approximately 20%.
This depends on what the limiting factor is in the stove design. If it is fuel mass flow rate, then that would make sense. Propane is much more dense, so there's no problem getting enough fuel through, and in the specific case of the Summit cooktop that is proposed here, the manual's page on conversion shows that the maximum output off all burners sizes is the same on either propane or natural gas.

Even better news is that the smaller burner on the two-burner model turns down lower with propane (1200 BTU/hr) than it does with natural gas (1400 BTU/hr), while hitting the same highest rate (3400 BTU/hr) with either fuel. The larger burner runs 2400 (on low) to 8350 (on high) BTU/hr on either fuel.

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... have learned from a Verona rep that good simmer range by definition is 500-600 BTU's which is hard to find in better residential units.
The Summit's smaller burner is twice that on low, and the larger burner is four times that rate.
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It sure does. Did ETI do that install?
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Another possibility - the Ramblewood 2 burner sold on Amazon. Battery electric ignition, sealed burners, good BTU output and similar cutout size to the others mentioned. Only two issues I see are that it's definitely not a flush unit (so no cover that's flush with the counter for extra space) and the fitting would need a 1/2" to 3/8 adapter, or to be a correct install the supply pipe would need to be 1/2". Nice looking. Comes with a tough looking pressure regulator but in this case you wouldn't use it.

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