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Old 04-07-2016, 12:17 PM   #41
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Besides, I have a good meter, as well as a good knowledge of circuitry, and can wring out any circuit should I need.
That's the problem exactly. Those of us who recognize amateur wiring practices are quite capable of repairing problems. Not as quickly as having a schematic that shows the color codes used or having wires labeled before they disappear into hidden spaces but we can deal with problems.

In addition to RV techs, it's the person who doesn't do much wiring etc. that would benefit from a schematic. Just troubleshooting a pump or a light that doesn't work is so much easier if you know the color of the wire or the circuit breaker to be checking.

I don't buy the argument that because there are some options no schematic can be made. The vast majority of trailers have most of their devices in common with others. All trailers have lights, water pumps etc. A simple notation of a schematic by the person wiring could denote a custom item.

For example, the schematic I used to wire my car had all sorts of circuits I didn't need such as a/c, door sensors, doors? but it shows all the basic circuits that I needed. Sorry, don't buy the argument that because some trailers have some options there can't be a usable schematic.

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Old 04-07-2016, 12:18 PM   #42
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The pictures shown on this thread are unacceptable. I have a 21 ordered for Jan 2017 - I would not want to see anything like those pics. If the electrical is not correct, it gets stripped and rewired.
As those photos are anomalies, I suspect you will be happy with what you get. Other than not being a fan of the blue 12V connectors, they are actually approved to be used inside, I was more than happy with all the wiring in my 2009 19.

Escape is continually modifying their processes, and improving upon them. They do have to meet electrical codes, which mostly just cover the 120V stuff though, the same in house wiring where there is no inspection of low voltage wiring, at least around here.
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I know Airstreams have schematics because they make up their wiring harness before hand for each trailer. that is the reason they will not customize their models with any changes, too hard to make a custom wiring harness.We are lucky that Escape will make changes. Some would be impossible afterwards.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:30 PM   #44
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It was not meant to be taken personally, training and unions are not synonymous, we can be trained but still not be in unionized. There are no unions in law, nor medical, accounting and a lot of other professions, but these people are all well trained. Mistakes are a part of life, if by a trained individual or anyone else.
Please do not take this too seriously, but I am in full agreement with this post.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:33 PM   #45
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I know Airstreams have schematics because they make up their wiring harness before hand for each trailer. that is the reason they will not customize their models with any changes, too hard to make a custom wiring harness.We are lucky that Escape will make changes. Some would be impossible afterwards.
You are on a roll, this is two in a row. It seems strange, at least to me, that folks are complaining about a resultant of something I feel is a major benefit to buying Escape.

Of course, I might once again be missing something.
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If ETI does keep growing and approaches the annual manufacturing levels of some of the other brands, then the customization that we are allowed now will mostly evaporate. I don't see any reason at this point there couldn't be a wiring schematic for each model with published options. The options people arrange off the books don't need to be on a schematic, those are one off items that don't effect the bulk of trailers.
The problem with wiring schematics is previous owners, especially in molded glass where part of our hobby is modding things to death. I have encountered so many po add ons, rewires, changes and they usually don't use the same color wire that is there to do their thing. I see a lot of lamp cord, twisted connections with electrical tape, whatever was in my garage, etc. So I look at a wiring schematics as not very useful once a trailer has been in the wild for awhile, but they can be useful for a starting point.
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If ETI does keep growing and approaches the annual manufacturing levels of some of the other brands, then the customization that we are allowed now will mostly evaporate. I don't see any reason at this point there couldn't be a wiring schematic for each model with published options. The options people arrange off the books don't need to be on a schematic, those are one off items that don't effect the bulk of trailers.
The problem with wiring schematics is previous owners, especially in molded glass where part of our hobby is modding things to death. I have encountered so many po add ons, rewires, changes and they usually don't use the same color wire that is there to do their thing. I see a lot of lamp cord, twisted connections with electrical tape, whatever was in my garage, etc. So I look at a wiring schematics as not very useful once a trailer has been in the wild for awhile, but they can be useful for a starting point.
I was a union carpenter ,because of my training ,when I moved my thermostat down needed more length to my green wire . Even though I have ton's of wire, a whole box , all gauges , went to the store to purchase a foot of wire to complete my job , keeping the existing wire green . It is just for the heater , no big deal . I dont't want my trailer just put it together and make it work .I want it right . Pat
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The options people arrange off the books don't need to be on a schematic, those are one off items that don't effect the bulk of trailers.
They do offer electrical layouts of the trailers, where the standard items go. But even at that, when I was in at Escape on Feb 29, Sarah gave me a copy of the electrical layout for the 5.0TA, but advised me that it had already changed in regards to a bit of wiring in the loft. If there was a schematic, it too would then have to be changed. It really is simple wiring to get these devices to work, and in my opinion, anyone doing any work to the wiring after taking possession, should certainly be able to figure this system out.

Would having a schematic be a bad thing? Certainly not. But I am just trying to make the point from what I interpret as Escape's point of view. Who knows, maybe they will do one in the future, but I bet they would have to recoup the costs somehow.
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:04 PM   #49
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I was a union carpenter ,because of my training ,when I moved my thermostat down needed more length to my green wire . Even though I have ton's of wire, a whole box , all gauges , went to the store to purchase a foot of wire to complete my job , keeping the existing wire green . It is just for the heater , no big deal . I dont't want my trailer just put it together and make it work .I want it right . Pat
Not sure what being a union carpenter has to do with this, but I do agree with what you did. I too like am a little anal with things like this. Not necessary to do, but a detail that gives me pride in my work.

BTW, though not union, I too am a journeyman carpenter. Oh, and a Civil Engineering Technologist too. I also have my second class boiler ticket, but that one goes waaaaaay back. Is it any wonder that there are so many crazy thoughts rambling through me wee heed?
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A thought "rambling through me wee heed" as Jim would say, is ETI expected/required to produce their wiring, plumbing, gas and other plans/schematics just because some think they should?

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