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Old 12-14-2015, 09:03 PM   #1
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5.0TA with 2015 F150 2.7L 5.5ft bed

Greetings from the Tar Heel state!
This is my first post, but i've been "creeping" in the background, getting a feel for what's clearly a loyal following of a terrific product.

My wife and I have ordered a 5.0TA and will pick it up in May! We're so excited!
We plan to pull it with a 2015 F150 supercrew, 2.7L with a 5.5 ft bed.
Is anyone else using this TV for a 5.0TA?
What hitch do you use?
I think I like the Andersen Ultimate 5th wheel connection (rail version) because it's the lightest i've found - and with this TV, I am weight conscious.
I have found many posts about fifth wheel but have been unable to find this specific combination.
Many thanks for your help!!
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:18 PM   #2
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Welcome, and congrats on your order.

I think that truck will do just fine. I think Carl was getting one, and might chip in.

I am using the Anderson Ultimate on a gooseneck ball, to be able to have a clear bed when needed, but the rail version will be lighter, and just as easy to install and remove as needed. The only difference is the rails staying in the bed, but if you are hardly in need of a smooth bed, I think it is a great way to go. Obviously, I have not tried it yet, but all reports on it are great.
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:23 PM   #3
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Tatum,
I would love to here from others as well since this is the TV I am considering to pull my 21 I have on order for August!
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:59 PM   #4
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Welcome, and congrats on your order.

I think that truck will do just fine. I think Carl was getting one, and might chip in.

I am using the Anderson Ultimate on a gooseneck ball, to be able to have a clear bed when needed, but the rail version will be lighter, and just as easy to install and remove as needed. The only difference is the rails staying in the bed, but if you are hardly in need of a smooth bed, I think it is a great way to go. Obviously, I have not tried it yet, but all reports on it are great.
You are correct, Jim, I have traded my 2012 3.5 EcoBoost for a 2015 2.7 EcoBoost, but it is a Super Cab, not a Crew Cab so I have a 6.5 foot bed rather than a 5.5 foot bed. I am using a conventional 5th wheel hitch (Curt Q16).

I'm not sure an Anderson Ultimate on rails will provide adequate cab to kingpin distances in a 5.5 foot bed. Before installing the Anderson on rails I would consult Reace. I believe Reace is using a conventional hitch on rails in a 5.5 foot bed, but it is my understanding he is using custom made brackets for the rails, so they are further away from the cab.

I am also not sure about Tatum's statement of being concerned with weight "with this tow vehicle." I'm curious as to why weight would be a concern. The F150 is a full sized pickup with adequate capacity and the 2.7 EcoBoost is rated to tow twice the weight of 5.0TA loaded with camping needs and clothing. I found the 3.5 to actually be overkill. Towing at 60 mph if punched, the 3.5 F150 would pin me back into the seat and accelerate to 75 mph in a heartbeat. Weight (within reason) is not a concern with the 2.7 EcoBoost, which can hold its own.
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Old 12-14-2015, 10:57 PM   #5
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Carl, can you tell me what kind of gas mileage you are getting with the 2.7 in tow?
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:02 PM   #6
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Welcome, and congrats on your order.

I think that truck will do just fine. I think Carl was getting one, and might chip in.

I am using the Anderson Ultimate on a gooseneck ball, to be able to have a clear bed when needed, but the rail version will be lighter, and just as easy to install and remove as needed. The only difference is the rails staying in the bed, but if you are hardly in need of a smooth bed, I think it is a great way to go. Obviously, I have not tried it yet, but all reports on it are great.
Jim,
A clear bed is a plus. I may wish I had one when loading grandma's dresser, etc. But, I mostly haul tool boxes and will save a few pounds and a few bucks and go with the rail version.

I just went to Andersen's website (for the umpteenth time) and for the first time have noticed dimensioned drawings of both rail and gooseneck versions. http://www.andersenhitches.com/uploa...Mar%202015.pdf
It appears the gooseneck version will place the kingpin 9.5" toward the tailgate from the gooseneck ball. (9.5" = 4" offset due to kingpin adapter + 5.5" offset due to pyramid-shaped frame) 9.5" is some serious help for short bed pickups. Do you expect that offset to affect towing dynamics?

Does anyone know if rails and rail brackets are designed such that the front and rear rails are equidistant from the rear axle? In other words, if a load is centered on the rails is it also centered over the axle?
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:47 AM   #7
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It appears the gooseneck version will place the kingpin 9.5" toward the tailgate from the gooseneck ball. (9.5" = 4" offset due to kingpin adapter + 5.5" offset due to pyramid-shaped frame) 9.5" is some serious help for short bed pickups. Do you expect that offset to affect towing dynamics?
The adapter offset portion is effectively an extension on the trailer, rather than a relocation of the hitch on the truck; they have the same effect on trailer-to-cab clearance when the combination is straight, but not when turned.

For towing dynamics, the location of the pivot point is what matters most. Moving it rearward shifts load from the front axle of the truck to the rear (and it's already almost entirely on the rear axle), which is generally not desirable but probably manageable... and still better than carrying tongue weight on a ball behind the bumper. An extension to the trailer (on this style of a trailer or a conventional pull-behind) reduces tongue weight (very slightly in the case of these dimensions) and yet improves stability.

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Does anyone know if rails and rail brackets are designed such that the front and rear rails are equidistant from the rear axle? In other words, if a load is centered on the rails is it also centered over the axle?
That would depend on what brand and model of bracket set you choose, but I would be surprised if any of them are centred over the axle. Common practice is to put the pin (which is normally centred between the rails) ahead of the axle line - sometimes significantly ahead.

For the F-150, Reese offers two styles of rail and two corresponding mounting kits (N50086 and N56013). Neither is very far ahead of the axle; N56013 is one inch ahead of the axle. The Curt bracket kit is their part 16442, and the installation instructions says their rail/hitch centre is 2 inches ahead of the axle line.
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Old 12-15-2015, 01:18 AM   #8
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The B&W Turnover Ball underfloor-mount ball hitch GNRK1115 installation instructions say that the ball centre ends up 42-5/8" ahead of the rear edge of the box... which sounds likely to be ahead of the axle line, but that's just a guess based on the axle being in the middle of the 2-metre (6.5') box, and the axle being the same distance from the rear edge of either 5.5' or 6.5' box.
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Old 12-15-2015, 06:14 AM   #9
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The only hitch manufacturer I could find that currently lists an installation kit for the 2015/16 F150 short bed is Curt, Reese says only use it with a Sidewinder pinbox. The Curt shows the King Pin being 2.006" in front of the rear axle. This is for the above bed rails, being universal, they would fit the Anderson.

https://www.curtmfg.com/masterlibrar..._16442_INS.PDF
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Old 12-15-2015, 06:41 AM   #10
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The only hitch manufacturer I could find that currently lists an installation kit for the 2015/16 F150 short bed is Curt, Reese says only use it with a Sidewinder pinbox. The Curt shows the King Pin being 2.006" in front of the rear axle. This is for the above bed rails, being universal, they would fit the Anderson.

https://www.curtmfg.com/masterlibrar..._16442_INS.PDF
Reese only says that because they, like all 5th wheel hitch manufacturers assume that the hitch will be used to tow a wide, behemoth of a 5th wheel. Given the fact that small fiberglass 5th wheel trailers are less than 1/10 of 1% of the 5th wheels in use, would you expect anything else? Note that 5th wheel hitches are "always" installed in front of the rear axle to prevent massive pin weights from turning the truck into a lever (fulcrum at rear axle) and lifting the front axle to a pount where traction/stability is lost. This is another "must" that really doesn't apply to a FG 5th wheel with a 700/800 pound pin weight. You could install the hitch a foot behind the axle and not create a potential traction problem.
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