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Old 03-10-2016, 01:51 PM   #21
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It is possible to have a air-cushioned hitch with a ball, although it takes some custom fabrication...
I also stumbled across another option: the enormous and enormously heavy air-ride Trailersaver TS3 fifth-wheel hitch offers a gooseneck ball accessory. The ball appears to bolt into a socket on the top of the air suspension mechanism in place of the usual fifth-wheel head, so the weight when used with a ball would be much lower. Due to the height of the hitch, this might put the ball at a workable height for an Escape. It would be used with just the coupler from Andersen, or a similar coupler/adapter from another source.
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Old 03-10-2016, 01:54 PM   #22
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Having had a Scamp 19 which uses a coupler and ball setup (which I hated), and knowing how precise coupler to ball alignment must be to hook up versus the true 5th wheel hitch, in addition to the need for safety chains, I personally don't get the rampant fascination with the Ultimate Hitch. removed from the king pin with a couple of wrenches. Just my opinion.....
Quite simply.......weight.

Not only is there less payload weight, it will be much easier to remove. Lisa can carry it with no problem.
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Quite simply.......weight.

Not only is there less payload weight, it will be much easier to remove. Lisa can carry it with no problem.
I do understand the desire to have less weight, but my Curt Q16 comes apart in two manageable pieces. The wife would have no reason to try to carry either piece , slthough she probably could. While I wouldn't mind having lighter weight, when I weigh lighter weight versus the greater difficulty in aligning a ball and coupler, it is a no brainer FOR ME. Ease in aligning wins by a landslide.
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Old 03-10-2016, 05:15 PM   #24
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I don't quite understand the whole alignment problem. I have had to do it thousands of times with a bumper mount hitch. What makes it tougher with the Anderson hitch? And with the new kingpin coupler, it allows an alignment range of 6", should be just about able to drive a semi through there.

I am only used to fifth wheel hitches on big rigs, but even there we had to check to make certain our height and alignment were close before coupling. Can you clearly see the fifth wheel hitch in a pickup bed?
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I am selling my F-350 fairly soon, and will be using the F-150 for work. The hitch will have to be put in and taken out after every trip with the 5.0. I am liking the weight and ease of it for that.

For those who are happy with the conventional hitch, and have one working good for you, that is great. After lots of researching I decided on the Anderson, and I bet that will work for me too. I have heard lots, and lots, of good stories about them.
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Coupling a fifth wheel hitch was a breeze for me. Set the plate slightly below the hitch height and back in. The hitch will lift the trailer's front legs and guide the pin into the coupler. Get out and latch the coupler, finish cranking the legs up. And drive off.

For the gooseneck you can imagine trying to align it, then go back and crank up the trailer legs hoping it engages in the ball. And do it again until it couples. Did it on Grandpa's farm a lot and it worked great there, often the ground was uneven and the haul was short. Quick and easy tow and toss a load on the bed anytime.

For me and my 5th wheel trailer I would have needed a ladder to get in the box and hook up chains. With the tail gate down I could not fit comfortably to slide in from the back.

My biggest frustration with the fifth wheel hitch was the wasted space in the tow vehicle dedicated to the 5th wheel hitch. And a few times we had kids jump in the back for a ride to the other end of the campground and they got grease on 'things' and clothes from the hitch.

Not to mention lifting it in/out to use my pickup bed for hauling. And not having the canopy anymore, too much lifting etc.

To me IF you have a big trailer the 5th hitch is the way to go but all that hassle for a small light trailer isn't worth it. So I went with the 19' hooked by ball only to a V8 4runner. It's a sweet combo for our style of quick pick up and go camping. And I bought a nice utility trailer for hauling.
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To me IF you have a big trailer the 5th hitch is the way to go but all that hassle for a small light trailer isn't worth it. So I went with the 19' hooked by ball only to a V8 4runner. It's a sweet combo for our style of quick pick up and go camping. And I bought a nice utility trailer for hauling.
For larger trailers, this is definitely true, I would not consider one of those huge bumper pulls, but for me much of the reason to go with the 5.0 was the layout, and the shorter overall length, while providing plenty of storage. The advantages of the weight loading and and better towing were well back on the list of advantages.

Plus, I can tow another trailer behind it around here if I want.
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Hi: Klem... This past winter a camper at Ocala Nat. Forest had deep V's imprinted in both sides of his box rails. Either his monster fifth came detached or he hit one heck of a dip in the road. OUCH!!! Alf
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Ditto .......

I have a Curt Q16 with the dual locking jaws and it weighs 109 lbs according to my bathroom scales. The Anderson apparently weighs in at 40 lbs but then you have the extra weight of the safety chains and the adapter to convert it to the king pin so by then you are only probably saving 20 or 30 lbs for the headache of the ball hookup. A gym membership could take care of that ....

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My calculations of the weight of my Curt Q16 were similar to Barry's. I went thru this debate a year ago re Anderson versus traditional fifth wheel hitches. Difficult to figure out the weight savings online as many of the manufacturers such as Curt and Reese will include the rails (at around 35 lbs. in their specs.). The Anderson fifth wheel gooseneck style hitch was 40 lbs. at the time without the rails. Since I have pulled my hitch out several times recently in order to move my truck camper about the yard, this thread piqued my interest enough to go weigh the head and the frame with a bathroom scale. The head was 40 lbs. and the frame was 66 lbs., very close to what Barry got.

For those of you trying to figure out what the total weight addition is to your truck will be here are my numbers for my Q-16. The under bed hardware and the rails weights I had to pull from a website as they are way too difficult for me to easily pull out, but from memory they do seem accurate as I installed them myself.

Head: 40 lbs.
Frame: 66
Rails: 35
Under bed hardware: 30
Total 171 lbs.

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I don't quite understand the whole alignment problem. I have had to do it thousands of times with a bumper mount hitch. What makes it tougher with the Anderson hitch? And with the new kingpin coupler, it allows an alignment range of 6", should be just about able to drive a semi through there.

I am only used to fifth wheel hitches on big rigs, but even there we had to check to make certain our height and alignment were close before coupling. Can you clearly see the fifth wheel hitch in a pickup bed?
I have the Extra Cab which is smaller than the King Cab. The greater distance between the driver and the rear window of either, and the fact that the hitch is below the bottom of the rear window (and I have an aluminum tool box also) means the hitch cannot be seen fron the driver's seat. With the Scamp 5er it was "go forward an inch, nope, that's too much, pull forward and try to get the ball an inch further to the left. Good, come straight back. Stop....too far, pull forward a bit. Good, put it in park. Oops, when you put it in park it moved an inch backward so it needs to go forward a bit." And that was the typical conversation when hooking up. That doesn't happen with the 5th wheel hitch. Maybe some people can hitch up with a ball and coupler without all the minor adjustments for alignment; I couldn't unless I got real lucky. I have zero desire to go back to a coupler and a ball even if it would save 60-80 pounds. FOR ME, the aggravation when hooking up isn't worth the weight savings. All I am saying is that someone with no 5th wheel experience may get the impression that the Anderson Ultra is the cat's meow and jump on the Anderson bandwagon, when in fact they might be better off with a conventional 5th wheel hitch. Given the cost, it might be wise to try to get some practical experience with both before spending a lot of money on either one. The point I would make is just because someone touts the features of a Volkswagon Beetle, it doesn't mean it is the ideal car for someone who is 6'6" tall. As Brian stated in an earlier post there are Scamp 19 owners who have gone through a lot of effort and cost to change the coupler to a pin box. I understand why they would do this. Does anyone without 5th wheel experience using both systems to get a comparison understand why? I've used both and I know what works for me.
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