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Old 03-02-2015, 04:59 AM   #51
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Most Escapes are putting between 300 to 500 lbs on the tongue, so the 100 lb threshold for sway has been put in place, without the chains. Whether it is as effective still needs to be tested.
I have used mine without but it is simple to tighten and forget about them.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:18 AM   #52
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I agree Brian. He didn't say so, but I assumed that the chains had to be installed and snug enough to turn the plate, but not so tight to transfer any load. Without controlling the plate I don't see how there would be any sway control.

I did tow the 21 for a while without the Anderson and had no issues what so ever. In fact, there was less rear end drop on the Ridgeline then I had with the Casita. Sway control is suggested for everyone's safety, but it can be done with a $65 sway bar.

I went back and forth prior to receiving my 21 like so many others, but purchased the Anderson for use with the Ridgeline and future tow vehicles. If I remember correctly, Ford does recommend use of a WDH with the F150 for the weight of a 21. Ford owners can correct me if I'm wrong.

Sorry to add to the confusion, but I tend to do that.
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There is a bit of a difference in "needed" and "appreciated". I don't think anyone would advise that the F150 "needs" any sort of WDH to pull a relatively small ETI 19. But there are plenty of folks that don't need the Andersen that have appreciated using it, simply for how it smooths out the ride.

I have had my wife along on only a few tows with my Frontier, and she's always commented on the bumpiness of the ride while towing. I for one would be considering getting the Andersen in order to get a smoother ride.

But I guess it depends on the truck/trailer combo.
Too some degree, I agree with this assessment. With our Pilot, we really didn't need the Anderson WDH, but when used it did smooth things out a bit. Not really safer, just a nicer ride.

However, with an F150, I really doubt there would be enough noticeable difference to warrant its use, with its firmer suspension. I guess if you try it out first, and it bothers you enough to want to spend the money, there is no harm in using the WDH.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:15 PM   #54
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When towing a Casita 17 with the Ford Super crew I didn't think I needed the WDH until the casita bounced the TV onto the floor from the back corner of the bed. My next stop was the RV store where I bought the smallest single bar WDH to slow down the bounce on rough roads, I-5 in Calif truck lane. The next stop was a TV store.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:17 PM   #55
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... I assumed that the chains had to be installed and snug enough to turn the plate, but not so tight to transfer any load. Without controlling the plate I don't see how there would be any sway control.
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Most Escapes are putting between 300 to 500 lbs on the tongue, so the 100 lb threshold for sway has been put in place, without the chains.
Without the chains, there is no sway control action of the Andersen "No-Sway", regardless of the load on the ball. Without the chains, it is simply a plain adjustable-height ball mount.

I asked Andersen about this and this is the relevant part of the reply from Andrew in customer service:
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Without the triangle plate attached this would just be a heavy duty ball mount which is fine if you don't need sway control. As you figured out, the plate needs to move the ball against the friction material to gain sway control and it can't do that without the chains in place so it can turn.
This was first posted in a discussion in 2013. I'm not suggesting to anyone that they read that discussion unless they are really interested, as there was lots of confusion at the time.
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Old 03-02-2015, 01:31 PM   #56
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My bad I was referring to post #44 where Andersen mentioned 100# was need for sway to work?
I do understand needing the chains to activate the swivel ball but thought there might be something there.
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My bad I was referring to post #44 where Andersen mentioned 100# was need for sway to work?
I do understand needing the chains to activate the swivel ball but thought there might be something there.
Okay, we're in synch about the chains.
I think the friction material won't work very well if too lightly loaded, so they're just saying that even with everything hooked up as intended, if you tongue weight is extremely low then the friction will be suitable. I'm guessing it would either not wedge into the cone adequately so it would slip, or it would slip-and-grab unevenly.

So, you need at least 100 pounds of tongue weight for sway control, but just having that tongue weight is not enough - you still need the chains.

Not an issue for an Escape, anyway.
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It seems that just as all food discussions now mention poutine, all hitch discussions become about the Andersen No-Sway WD!
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:32 PM   #59
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Good catch Brian, food vs hitches! Got me laughing
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Reace said he'll just sell me the right one when I get there. Easy.
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