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Old 04-13-2017, 10:45 PM   #1
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Question Front Tug 2" higher than rear with ETI installed e2 WDH.

Front Tug 2" higher than rear with ETI installed e2 WDH.

Hi all

I will call ETI next week, but also wanted to get opinions from the wise folks here.

Dennis installed and set up the e2 WDH we bought from them at pickup.
At that time I believe he made the Tug basically level.
The front cargo box was empty, and the escape was fairly empty.

We have a 2011 Acura MDX with factory tow package. 5000 / 500 limits.

Tongue weight with my Shureline (1,000 lb) I consistently get
440 lb tongue weight
1/3 tank fresh water.
Grey and black tanks empty.
Trailer level.
4 days food onboard plus fairly minimal camping stuff.
Clothes,

4 folding camp chairs under the front bed, binocs and telescopes. Etc.

Usual stuff in the front cargo bin on escape. Not too much.


The Acura MDX trunk is fairly empty (folding table and bench) and very little else in the MDX . I measured with no one in the MDX.

With wdh:
Rear of Tug is low relative to front of Tug.
Distance ground to wheel wells -
Rear 30"

Front 32"

And I can visually see the slight squat down in the rear.

Belly band 52.5 " to ground front
Rear belly band - 52.
So the escape is basically level.

My concern is that the front wheel wells of the MDX is about 2" higher than the rear wheel wells.

And that it did seem more level at pickup.

As I said I will call Dennis next week but does anyone have any thoughts as to why things changed?

I have noticed this squat the last couple trips.

I would feel better if the Tug was level, in terms of weight distribution and load on steering (front) wheels.

Thanks

John.
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:23 PM   #2
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Hi John,
First off I would load the trailer for full on camping and take trailer and tow to a scale .... put just the trailer wheels on scale and record the weight ( fresh full and wastes at least 50%). You already know the tongue weight ... add those two together. Now multiply by 10% and again 15% ... your tongue weight should be between those results ... if not repack your trailer until it is. I aim for 11% with my 17.

Re-hitch and see how your tow measures up. Maybe more tension in the WDH will cure your balance. Personally, I think you have too much trailer for your tow. Even if your suspension can carry it ... can your brakes stop it?

Its a good idea to talk with Dennis .... he is VERY knowledgeable.... and I would follow his instructions.

Others with more experience than me with your vehicle (+ type) will I'm sure chime in.

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Old 04-13-2017, 11:25 PM   #3
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What are the wheel well measurements without the trailer?
Just wondering what the load is doing to the attitude of your MDX....
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What are the wheel well measurements without the trailer?
Sorry - I forgot to mention - I believe the MDX sits level when not a Tug.
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Hi John,
First off I would load the trailer for full on camping and take trailer and tow to a scale .... put just the trailer wheels on scale and record the weight ( fresh full and wastes at least 50%). You already know the tongue weight ... add those two together. Now multiply by 10% and again 15% ... your tongue weight should be between those results ... if not repack your trailer until it is. I aim for 11% with my 17.

Re-hitch and see how your tow measures up. Maybe more tension in the WDH will cure your balance. Personally, I think you have too much trailer for your tow. Even if your suspension can carry it ... can your brakes stop it?

Its a good idea to talk with Dennis .... he is VERY knowledgeable.... and I would follow his instructions.

Others with more experience than me with your vehicle (+ type) will I'm sure chime in.

Tom
Hi Tom

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes indeed we should weigh our setup

The good news is that Jon V. posted a spreadsheet with actual 21' weights, and even considering the slight increase in weight for the 2017 21'... I think loaded we are around 4,400 lbs.

HVAC, dual solar. Dual 6v. Under belly foam.

So 440 lb tongue weight is 10%. :-)

Rig tows very well and very solid.

ETI advised us that we would be totally fine with our Tug

Keep in mind that we have a proportional brake controller and brakes on the escape. Brakes well. ;-)

Cheers

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Hi Tom

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes indeed we should weigh our setup

The good news is that Jon V. posted a spreadsheet with actual 21' weights, and even considering the slight increase in weight for the 2017 21'... I think loaded we are around 4,400 lbs.

HVAC, dual solar. Dual 6v. Under belly foam.

So 440 lb tongue weight is 10%. :-)

Rig tows very well and very solid.

ETI advised us that we would be totally fine with our Tug

Keep in mind that we have a proportional brake controller and brakes on the escape. Brakes well. ;-)

Cheers

John.
Hi John,

Well then you are probably in good shape. Yeah!

I know when I move just a few things around I can change the tongue weight. I'm still trying to get my trailer to "settle" down to where I want it weight distribution wise.

Its a learning curve for both of us.

Best of luck!

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Not an e2, but I had to adjust my Anderson settings from when Dennis set it up initially (full truck, empty trailer ---> empty truck, full trailer). Fairly significantly too.


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I had a Ranger pickup that would squat in the back more then I liked when hooked up to a 3500 lb trailer, even with the WDH maxed for load transfer. A set of Air-Lift air springs took care of the issue. Here's a set that would work on the Acura https://www.airliftcompany.com/shop/60815/

They make fancier setups with a built in compressor too.

If you can't adjust to level the ride, these work. $80 if you DIY.
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:11 AM   #9
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John, do you have the install manual for your E2? I would recommend going thru the installation and setup methods with your vehicle and trailer both fully load as you want them for travel and your tongue weight within specs. None of it is very complex and it will give you a much better idea of the workings of the various adjustments.

That said, you are better off with your current setup than with too much weight being redistributed to the front. With your setup you are just transferring less than the maximum to the front. While a more level setup is possible, just be very careful not to overdo it and take too much weight off the back and onto the front.
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It appears the head of your hitch does not have much downward pitch (if any) thus not transferring enough weight.

Are the bars hard to put on the L brackets or easy? You should have to jack the trailer and car up hitched together to get the bars on.

You may want to go through the setup again and add a washer or two to the head to increase downward pitch on the head to get more tension on the bars. Manual says you should start with 5 washers for a short SUV.

Here is the manual if you don't have it.
http://www.fastwaytrailer.com/wp-con...tions_0212.pdf
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