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Old 08-18-2013, 10:25 PM   #21
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I traded a 2012 Jeep Liberty for my 2012 FJ Cruiser, it has a lot more power than the Jeep and all I needed was the Andersen w/d to raise my rear 2" and I was a happy camper (other than not being able to open my rear hatch while hooked up though)
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:27 PM   #22
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The interesting thing is that in comparison to the Toyota FJ Cruiser which Jim towed his 19' with, the Wrangler
  • is about the same weight,
  • is similarly constructed (body on frame, solid rear axle, conventional drivetrain layout),
  • has about the same size of engine and more power, and
  • the Wrangler Unlimited is longer in wheelbase.
I don't know why the "tough" and "capable" Jeep has such as low GCWR. I suspect that it would be as safe as an FJ and more stable, but Chrysler just didn't equip the Wrangler's drivetrain for heavy-duty use, with enough cooling capacity, for instance... and the tongue weight limit is just an arbitrary number that follows as a result.

As FJ owners may know, the FJ Cruiser is on a variant of the Land Cruiser Prado chassis, and outside of North America Land Cruiser is better known for off-road performance and reliability than Jeep. Just having a little fun with the Jeep owners...
Yes it is strange that the towing capacity is so low on this vehicle. The same configuration in europe is rated at 7000 pounds. Now I'm not sure what to do!
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:27 PM   #23
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With my 3500# and your 4500# Jeep, leaves you 300 margin which is eliminated by the
tongue weight, sorry you will be over weight.
Huh?
If you mean that a 3500 lb trailer plus 4500 lb vehicle totals 8000 lb and the entire remaining 300 pounds to GCWR is used up by the tongue weight...
No, the trailer weight includes the tongue weight - you don't add it in twice. You include it once when comparing the whole combination to GCWR; you include it once when comparing the total loaded weight of the Jeep to its GVWR.

If you mean the trailer axle weight by itself is 3500 lb, then it is overweight for the Jeep (because total trailer weight includes the tongue) regardless of GVWR or the Jeep's curb weight. Just don't do that...

On the other hand, if you max out the trailer at 3500 lb, and the Jeep does weigh 4500 lb, that really does leave only 347 pounds for passengers and stuff in the Jeep. That's why trailer loading is important... do you have to load it all the way up to 3500 pounds?
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:31 PM   #24
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You are right Brian, my error in typing so fast.
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:34 PM   #25
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I traded a 2012 Jeep Liberty for my 2012 FJ Cruiser, it has a lot more power than the Jeep ...
The Liberty and Wrangler are quite unrelated, sharing no mechanical components or structure (or anything else other than a Jeep badge as far as I know). The 3.7 L engine in the Liberty wasn't a great powerhouse, yet the Liberty seems to have had a higher tow rating, not entirely explainable by a lower curb weight.

The current Wrangler has a lot more power than the Liberty.
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:34 PM   #26
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... my error in typing so fast.
No problem... as long as we're all straightened out
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:36 PM   #27
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So presuming that I load up the escape to 3500 pounds I will still have 337 pounds to transport myself and 140 pounds worth of other things ! I had better put myself on a diet and slim up some more
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:39 PM   #28
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Yes it is strange that the towing capacity is so low on this vehicle. The same configuration in europe is rated at 7000 pounds. Now I'm not sure what to do!
If this were a certain other lightweight moulded fiberglass travel trailer forum, this would be a cause for a Euro towing limit debate alarm

Kidding aside, Euro limits are routinely quite a bit higher, presumably based on different assumptions about how people will tow, such as their speed. If - just for instance - the Euro limit is based on 80 km/h (50 mph) towing, and the North American limit is based on 100 km/h (62 mph) towing, then the North American limit would have to allow for the significantly higher power demand and more likely overheating problems. With higher speed also comes less trailer stability. Also, there is the general assumption that we're all idiots over here who don't know how to drive...
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:42 PM   #29
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So presuming that I load up the escape to 3500 pounds I will still have 337 pounds to transport myself and 140 pounds worth of other things ! I had better put myself on a diet and slim up some more
LOL

It might be easier to ease up on the stuff in the trailer...

... but seriously, my loaded trailer weight is about 600 lb over the empty weight. Scale up to 800 lb for the bigger trailer (more space for stuff), and 3300 pounds seems reasonable. 537 pounds may still not be enough, but it isn't as unreasonable.
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:59 PM   #30
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Turning the little white petcock on the fresh water tank puts the trailer on a 160 lb diet. It's on my departure check list.. Pump off, hot water heat off, lock door, open petcock..
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