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Old 10-09-2017, 08:21 AM   #31
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It seems the 2nd G 19 models are close to the 1st G 21 weights, wet or dry.
And according to ETI the dry weight of the 2nd G 19 is only about 300# less than the 2nd G 21, which makes sense with the frame changes to the new 19, and slightly less than 2' length difference and 4" width.
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Old 10-15-2017, 06:18 PM   #32
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Things are getting pretty heavy. Sounds like easily 3500 lb trailer optioned up.
Not tons of cross overs or mid size SUVS have 5000 lb ratings anymore it seems, and even if it is an option, none around here ever have it.

Grand Cherokee, 4Runner, and Explorer come to mind. Although at the prices those three go for, you can buy a half ton truck for less money. At least here.
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:53 PM   #33
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Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:28 AM   #34
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Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.
It does lighten it slightly, but the tandem axles lessen the effect. I can tell you that towing is not affected when we tow with a full water tank - at least not to a level I notice.
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Old 04-15-2018, 01:28 AM   #35
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Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.
The fresh water tank is behind the axle line in all Escape models. The distance from the tank to the axle centre and the distance from axles to coupler vary by model, so the effect varies a bit. The tandem axles don't change that, but they do mask the effect because tongue weight is strongly affected by being off-level with a tandem (pushing the back down tilts the nose up, which increases the tongue weight).
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:24 AM   #36
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My tongue weight with the classic 21 unit was at 500# with a 50% full fresh tank in the rear. For the 2nd G 19 model, same 50% I'm at 475#. If you have too much squat on your tow you can add some water to level out your hook up.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:29 AM   #37
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The fresh water tank is behind the axle line in all Escape models. The distance from the tank to the axle centre and the distance from axles to coupler vary by model, so the effect varies a bit. The tandem axles don't change that, but they do mask the effect because tongue weight is strongly affected by being off-level with a tandem (pushing the back down tilts the nose up, which increases the tongue weight).
I did not check the tongue weight in our first generation 19 when we first got it. After we replaced the group 27 battery with dual sixes I could tell it had increased and when I checked it, ready to go camping, tongue weight was 425lbs. Batteries, and “heavy” contents in the front box of the 19 made more difference in tongue weight than the addition or subtraction of water in the fresh water tank or other tanks for that matter. One thing I still try to do is to “know” whether or not I should fill with water before leaving to camp. Or I only haul about 10 gallons instead of a full tank. But always a full hot water tank. If at all possible, dumping fresh and grey water before I start home in the morning. Judicious loading and acquisition of lightweight camping components helps if you’re concerned about weight on the tongue or otherwise.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:34 AM   #38
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I actually wanted to be sure the tongue weight would not be too light. Full fresh water, full hot water tank, and storage under the queen bed full. Don’t want to deal with an unstable trailer and sway.
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If you can get or borrow a sherline scale or rig up the equivalent and get a reading for the tongue weight and then get an accurate trailer weight as you intend to camp and then modify so you’re at about 12 to 15 percent tongue weight to total weight I believe you’ll have a good tracking, good towing trailer. Tire pressures, side to side loading, towing attitude, weights, and speed for the road surface encountered all work together. Experience will teach. Easy does it.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:41 PM   #40
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I haven't weighed it, but I can definitely feel a very slight difference in sway damping with the freshwater tank full and the other two empty at higher speeds.

It probably depends on your battery configuration as well. When I tested, I had my modified battery system setup but only 3 out of 5 installed, so tongue weight was probably a bit lower than with 2x6V batteries.
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