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Old 08-14-2016, 06:27 PM   #11
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Hi Brian - OK, if I'm getting it from the thread, even though the first generation Tundra has the longer 6 foot plus bed, it really doesn't help in regard to the hitch position since the "extra length" is behind the axel. That would mean you'd pretty much have a hitch installation similar to that of a 5.5 foot bed.
That doesn't preclude the first generation Tundra from being used as a 5th wheel hauler, just that the longer bed is not really an advantage, correct?
Exactly - it gives you more space to carry stuff in the bed, but is not an advantage for towing the fifth-wheel trailer, compared to other brands with a 5.5' bed.
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:12 AM   #12
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I was going to tow the 5.0ta with the first generation Tundra but it is an access cab. The position of the hitch on dead center rear axle gives you plenty of room. So you may want to consider the access cab model. Because of life's little interruption I am now waiting until 2018 to order another.
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Old 08-15-2016, 02:26 PM   #13
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I was going to tow the 5.0ta with the first generation Tundra but it is an access cab. The position of the hitch on dead center rear axle gives you plenty of room. So you may want to consider the access cab model.
I don't know how this would work: according to the specs posted by Edmunds, the 2005 (as an example) Tundra Access Cab with 6 foot bed has a 128.3" wheelbase, while the Double Cab with the same box has a 140.5" wheelbase - the one foot of difference is the cab, so the two have the same box, and the same spacing from cab to box.

An 8-foot box was available, but only with the regular cab; it was on the same 128.3" wheelbase as the double cab, with all of the extra space due to the shorter cab appearing as extra box length and extra cab-to-axle clearance.

Was there an access cab with 8-foot box, or an access cab with 6-foot box and longer wheelbase, missed in the Edmunds specs?
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:53 PM   #14
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I don't know how this would work: according to the specs posted by Edmunds, the 2005 (as an example) Tundra Access Cab with 6 foot bed has a 128.3" wheelbase, while the Double Cab with the same box has a 140.5" wheelbase - the one foot of difference is the cab, so the two have the same box, and the same spacing from cab to box.

An 8-foot box was available, but only with the regular cab; it was on the same 128.3" wheelbase as the double cab, with all of the extra space due to the shorter cab appearing as extra box length and extra cab-to-axle clearance.

Was there an access cab with 8-foot box, or an access cab with 6-foot box and longer wheelbase, missed in the Edmunds specs?
Hi - I just wanted to relate that I talked with Trademasters (the hitch company that works with Escape Trailer in Chilliwack). They indicated they have experience with the first generation Toyota Tundra and said there would be no issues with adding a properly functioning 5th wheel hitch.
So, I'm still considering different trucks, but with your help and after talking to Trademasters, I feel more confident that getting 1st gen Tundra would work just fine. Now if I can only find one with decent miles and in super condition - now that's another question!
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Old 08-16-2016, 02:29 PM   #15
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Hi - I just wanted to relate that I talked with Trademasters (the hitch company that works with Escape Trailer in Chilliwack). They indicated they have experience with the first generation Toyota Tundra and said there would be no issues with adding a properly functioning 5th wheel hitch.
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Given what has been done with other trucks, my guess is that Trademasters would install the brackets for the hitch further back than the standard location (that is, behind the axle rather than just in front of it). As long as the GVWR and rear GAWR are not exceeded, this is a workable approach.
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Old 08-16-2016, 04:27 PM   #16
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I did not know that the access cab and double cab had the same bed learned something new. So either would work. When ETI gave me the minimum inches from cab needed I know there was room to spare with the hitch dead center on axle.

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Old 08-16-2016, 07:07 PM   #17
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I did not know that the access cab and double cab had the same bed learned something new. So either would work. When ETI gave me the minimum inches from cab needed I know there was room to spare with the hitch dead center on axle.
Dave, what minimum distance did ETI give you for the 5.0TA, and what did you measure from cab to axle?
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Dave, what minimum distance did ETI give you for the 5.0TA, and what did you measure from cab to axle?
Hi Brian - I happened to come across a nearby 2006 Tundra with double cab and was able to get a measurement. From the back of the cab to the center of the wheel well (I'm assuming the axel should be centered about there) was approximately 32 inches.
I don't know how that compares with other 6 foot plus beds or the short boxes.
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Old 08-17-2016, 02:54 PM   #19
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I happened to come across a nearby 2006 Tundra with double cab and was able to get a measurement. From the back of the cab to the center of the wheel well (I'm assuming the axel should be centered about there) was approximately 32 inches.
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In the First generation Tundra thread, the best that I could determine as described in post #19 was 31" from the front of the box to the axle. That would be the inside of the box, so 32" to the back of the cab matches.

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I don't know how that compares with other 6 foot plus beds or the short boxes.
Other boxes around this size (which are usually about 6.5') have the axle roughly in middle of the box length, so they will more typically have over three feet (more than 36") from cab to axle.

In another thread, Bob mentioned the distance for an F-150:
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From what I saw on my hitch install instructions, the fifth wheel hitch is a fixed distance from the rear of the bed irregardless of the bed length. If you had the 6'6" bed you'd have 3' 6" clearance between the trailer and the cab etc.
That would put the cab-to-pin distance for an F-150 with 5.5' box at about 2'6"... which is 30", or about the same as the Tundra (the pin is an inch or two ahead of the axle). I doubt that's an accident - Toyota probably chose the cab-to-axle distance to match the short Ford/GM/Ram boxes, and threw in extra length on the back for people who want more cargo space.

This is a game in which mere inches matter, so the Tundra would presumably require setting the pin behind the axle, even if a typical 6.5' box truck gets away with the standard pin position.
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Old 08-18-2016, 06:14 AM   #20
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Brian,
ETI sent me this,
The distance from the cab to the hitch should be minimum 30” if the box is 5’ 5” in length.
If the box is 6’ or 6’6” mount it centered over the axle.
I measured approximately 32" from cab to center axle on my Tundra.

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