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Old 08-18-2016, 07:43 AM   #21
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I absolutely love my Anderson Ultimate Fifth Wheel Hitch. Some of the things I like is that it's light and easy to remove from my truck (it's on rails). This increases payload and reduces load (on my back).

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that the adapter bolted to the trailer's pin, moves the hitch attachment point forward moving the trailer away from the truck cab. I can't measure without removing the adapter, but it must add at least 1" and maybe even 2-3" clearance between truck cab and trailer.


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Old 08-18-2016, 04:23 PM   #22
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Inspired by John's hands-on research, I stopped by a couple of dealerships while I was out. The local Toyota dealer had no first-generation Tundras, which is not unusual, although they did have a couple last month. At the Ford dealer, it is hard to find an F-150 in any cab-box combination other than SuperCab + 5.5' box... but they have about 27 inches of space from cab (rear window) to rough axle centreline. The 12 inch longer box has that same 12 inches more space (39"), because from the axle rearward all F-150s (of the same year) are identical. These numbers are a couple inches less than Bob's... I don't know why, but I was just eyeballing the axle position, and I was measuring to the cab, not to the front wall of in the interior of the box.

A new-style Tundra Double Cab with 6.5' box has the same cab-to-axle spacing as a 6.5' box F-150 (much longer than the first-generation Tundra with 6.5' box); the very long new-style MegaCab comes with a roughly five-foot box that provides about the same cab-to-axle space as a 5.5' F-150.

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Brian,
ETI sent me this,
The distance from the cab to the hitch should be minimum 30 if the box is 5 5 in length.
If the box is 6 or 66 mount it centered over the axle.
I measured approximately 32" from cab to center axle on my Tundra.

Dave
So everybody's on the same page about the cab-to-axle distance for the first-generation Tundra Access Cab and Double Cab. This is a bit longer than the cab-to-axle distance for a 5.5' box on an F-150, but several inches shorter than the cab-to-axle distance for a 6.5' box on an F-150. A 6-foot-box King Cab Frontier or Titan is even shorter than the first-generation Tundra.

The 30" minimum distance is the surprise for me. That sounds like the distance for the original 5.0, rather than the wider 5.0TA. 5.0TA owners with short boxes seem to be mounting the hitch well back, more than 30" from the cab, and even Reace's own 5.5' box F-150 reportedly places the pin well behind the axle (not just an inch). If I were preparing to tow a 5.0TA, I would get confirmation of this value.

Any ready-made hitch mounting brackets - installed following standard instructions - will place the fifth-wheel pin slightly ahead of the axle line, leaving zero margin for error in the best case. I think it makes sense to plan on a set-back pin position, by one of the several available methods.
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Old 08-18-2016, 04:32 PM   #23
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I absolutely love my Anderson Ultimate Fifth Wheel Hitch.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that the adapter bolted to the trailer's pin, moves the hitch attachment point forward moving the trailer away from the truck cab. I can't measure without removing the adapter, but it must add at least 1" and maybe even 2-3" clearance between truck cab and trailer.
The Andersen Ultimate ball is offset 4 inches ahead of the pin, which is effectively a pin box extension and not the same as moving the hitch 4 inches back, but still helps clearance.
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Old 08-18-2016, 04:37 PM   #24
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OP, if you have not heard from CADreamin, they pull a19 with about that vintage Tundra. Might be worth a pm to get their input.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:32 PM   #25
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One other comment about the Ultimate Hitch. The pedistal is not symmetrical the ball us closer to one edge than the other. For a short bed, you set it in the rails with the ball farthest from the cab. I don't have the exact difference, maybe Brian can find the drawings.


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Old 08-19-2016, 12:11 AM   #26
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One other comment about the Ultimate Hitch. The pedistal is not symmetrical the ball us closer to one edge than the other. For a short bed, you set it in the rails with the ball farthest from the cab. I don't have the exact difference, maybe Brian can find the drawings.
From the current version of the "gooseneck" version dimensions drawing (the same source as the coupler image), here's an illustration of the 5.5" offset from the location of the anchoring ball in the bed floor to the Ultimate hitch ball; I don't see a dimension drawing for the rail-mount version (and the installation manual mentions the offset without giving a dimension), but perhaps the distance is similar?
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Old 08-19-2016, 12:55 AM   #27
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The Ultimate is 24 inch square but 22 inches from the front rail to back rail slots. The ball is 6 inches from one end and 16 inches from the other. I'm hoping that if the rails are mounted in the existing holes in the F 150 frame then the center of the hitch would be 2 inches ahead of the axle center. The ball would be 6 inches behind or 4 inches aft of the axle. The kingpin coupling extends an additional 4 inches so it should fit with no clearance issues. Hope, hope. It is a .pdf from the Anderson site and I couldn't get it to post here.
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:30 AM   #28
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The Ultimate is 24 inch square but 22 inches from the front rail to back rail slots. The ball is 6 inches from one end and 16 inches from the other. I'm hoping that if the rails are mounted in the existing holes in the F 150 frame then the center of the hitch would be 2 inches ahead of the axle center. The ball would be 6 inches behind or 4 inches aft of the axle. The kingpin coupling extends an additional 4 inches so it should fit with no clearance issues. Hope, hope. It is a .pdf from the Anderson site and I couldn't get it to post here.
That sounds right, except that the offset is 5" (not 6") so if the rail midpoint is 2 inches ahead of the axle then the two positions are 7 inches ahead or 3 inches behind the axle.

I was using my downloaded collection of Andersen documents, and had missed the rail-mount dimension drawing. Here's the diagram, clipped out of the PDF file... with the 7" and 17" dimensions (to the edges of the frame, one inch beyond the mounting tabs that go into the rail centreline slots) showing that the ball ends up 5" ahead of or behind (your choice) the midway point between the rails.
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:46 AM   #29
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That sounds right, except that the offset is 5" (not 6") so if the rail midpoint is 2 inches ahead of the axle then the two positions are 7 inches ahead or 3 inches behind the axle.

I was using my downloaded collection of Andersen documents, and had missed the rail-mount dimension drawing. Here's the diagram, clipped out of the PDF file... with the 7" and 17" dimensions (to the edges of the frame, one inch beyond the mounting tabs that go into the rail centreline slots) showing that the ball ends up 5" ahead of or behind (your choice) the midway point between the rails.
(Barbie Quote: Math is Tough) Oops, I just subtracted the inch from each end and applied it to the centerline.

For me that is better because the 4 inch kingpin to ball socket is an extension of the trailer. Really need to wait on the new 2017 design to see if anything is changing.
I intend to use this hitch on my "motorized wheelbarrow" F 150 short bed.
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Old 08-19-2016, 09:37 AM   #30
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You will love this hitch! It's lighter, making it easier to remove from the bed and uses less of the truck's payload. It uses less room in the bed, leaving more for other things. And you don't have to worry about the trailer being on a different plane than the truck. I'm not very familiar with traditional hitches, but all rotate when viewed from the side (pitch). The better (more $$$?) also rotate when viewed from the front/back (yaw). The PO once stopped a place where the trailer was on a different plane than the truck and could not unhitch. I never have this issue.

Some states require hitches with balls to have chains, I use the optional chains sold by Anderson.

I have a simple hitch mod that makes it MUCH easier to hook up. As you know, you must position the socket over the ball. I usually hook up alone and can't see the ball from the driver's seat. This, plus a view offset from the centerline, makes this a maddening task! Thus my mod. I glued a small piece of brass tubing to the front of the shaft the ball sits in. I put an 18" (approx) piece of spring wire in the shaft with a piece of red electrician's tape at the top (just for visibility). I put more red tape on the front of the trailer's hitch adapter. I back up until the wire is aligned with the tape on the trailer and the wire just starts to spring forward. Everything is now close to perfect alignment. When the hitch is new, exact alignment is more critical; as you use it, things become more become more polished (or something) and the trailer will adjust to slight differences as you lower it.

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One final note... On my Bigfoot, there wasn't enough vertical clearance between the bottom of the trailer's "nose" frame and the side of the truck. I kept having troubles with the remote pin release hitting the truck and getting bent. I finally moved it to the front of the frame; this solved that problem.





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