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Old 05-07-2014, 02:30 PM   #21
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I agree with a point that Brian P makes often. That is many people complain of the lack of power for climbing hills and are not willing to rev the engine into the peak of the torque curve. There is a balance there between being willing to rev the engine when needed to make enough power to get the job done and bagging the living snot out of a under sized engine to barely make it up a hill risking harm to the vehicle. That being said most of these vehicles being questioned will get the job done. There are other considerations like stability and braking to factor in. A short light vehicle simply put, can not offer the same stability as a heavier longer vehicle, it is simple physics. " don't let the tail wag the dog" . I obviosly use a tow vehicle that most would consider over kill. I however enjoy the over all experience using this truck. The seats and room inside are very comfortable for all passengers. never feels like the trailer is dictating the ride, has plenty of power to maintain sensible speeds in our mountain passes and last but not least its a vehicle that I have good knowlege of how to fix and maintain. It tows our 19 ft very well and I am confident that it will tow our new 21 just as well.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:43 PM   #22
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So if you were me (scary eh? My wife and I will be the only ones traveling, except for a small dog and cat, and we have a 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with the new Pentastar and a 2014 Nissan Quest with a CVT. Which would you prefer using for pulling a 17B and would you consider the 19? Thank you in advance for your help.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:45 PM   #23
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Why? The suspension matters, the weight matters, and the wheelbase and track matter, but how does the structural design make the vehicle combination more stable?
The frame is the foundation of a truck and a full frame will be stiffer and resist better the twisting forces coming from the trailer. Since the hitch is bolted or welded to the frame a hitch attached to a full frame truck is going to provide a better towing experience than one attached to a unibody. The highlander is a unibody SUV while the 4runner is a full frame. Having owned both and towed with both the 4runner is a superior tow vehicle.

Go to a dealer and drive both and you will feel the difference especially on uneven ground since I doubt they would let you try out towing.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:04 PM   #24
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A Tacoma is an even better tow vehicle. I had an 06 Tacoma that towed better than the 4runner since the wheelbase was longer. Similar frame, suspension, and engine but the longer wheelbase adds more stability.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:21 PM   #25
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Is the jeep rated for 3500 lbs ? if so I would not but thats just my opinion
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Hi Dave,
yes, both the Wrangler Unlimited and the Quest are rated 3500#. Looks like it will be a 17B for us (used).
Thank you!
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:51 PM   #27
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So if you were me (scary eh? My wife and I will be the only ones traveling, except for a small dog and cat, and we have a 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited with the new Pentastar and a 2014 Nissan Quest with a CVT. Which would you prefer using for pulling a 17B and would you consider the 19? Thank you in advance for your help.
I see very little difference between the 2 as far as capabilities, I'd pick the more comfortable.
Both are 3500 lbs, if you're open to trading one of them in go ahead and go with the 19 and see how it works out. If you are flat against trading, go with the 17.
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Old 05-07-2014, 04:04 PM   #28
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my advice would be by the trailer you will be the happiest with and then buy the tow vehicle that makes you feel comfortable towing it. Chances are you will have the trailer alot longer. I have watched many friends and family buy the trailer that they can tow with the vehicle that they have to only replace the vehicle a short while later.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:56 PM   #29
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Does "CV" in this case mean "continuously variable"? If so, that's surprising to me, since I've never heard of a Mercedes CVT, a Chrysler CVT (other than the 2mode hybrid), or a CVT in a heavy-duty or V8 application... let alone a Mercedes-sourced CVT in a V8 Chrysler. I learned today that there are some Jatco CVTs in some of their small SUVs, but that's not the Grand Cherokee.

2011 is the current generation of Grand Cherokee; I believe that the 2011 Hemi has a Chrysler (not Mercedes) 545RFE 5-speed conventional automatic. This is probably a fine transmission - it's just not a CVT or a Mercedes. Chrysler apparently likes to call this a "multi-speed" transmission, apparently not noticing that automatics after the old two-speeds of the six decades ago are all multi-speed. :
I was under the impression that the Hemi powered Jeeps were using the W5A580 transmission. While both are considered very reliable transmissions, the W5A580 is newer, more advanced, and from all the accounts I've read on the internet, an incredibly strong transmissions, used in many high power applications with little to no modification (1000+ hp). It is even found in the 2012+ Jeep Wranglers, which was interesting as the Wranglers have never had a good automatic transmission (IMHO). It's on my short list of automatic transmissions I'd want to use for towing purposes
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:32 PM   #30
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I was under the impression that the Hemi powered Jeeps were using the W5A580 transmission.
Could be, but those Wikipedia lists show the Chrysler transmission for Hemi Grand Cherokees up to 2011, and don't show the Mercedes transmission in them at all... and certainly not the Mercedes CVT suggested earlier.
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