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Old 12-17-2014, 10:38 PM   #11
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I have 2008 RAV4 V6 Sport, which has 3500 lbs. towing and 350 lbs. tongue. My loaded tongue weight is about 320 lbs ( no front storage box, but one on the rear ).
Plenty of power ( 269 hp ) to get to the speed of traffic entering the freeway.
But, I'd be a little bit happier with 5,000 lbs towing and 500 lb. tongue. And, but, the Pilot and Highlander are as stylish as a high school locker.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:01 PM   #12
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Yep, everything's a trade off. A little more towing capacity would also mean a bigger vehicle, and maybe less mileage. I don't get into style because thats so subjective, and I realized long ago that there are plenty of folks who will drive a hideously ugly vehicle -- such as the Pontiac Aztek.

Ellen, also don't forget to consider the Nissan SUVs like the X-terra and Pathfinder. Both have more towing capacity than is needed for a 17.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:22 PM   #13
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I have 2008 RAV4 V6 Sport, which has 3500 lbs. towing and 350 lbs. tongue. My loaded tongue weight is about 320 lbs ( no front storage box, but one on the rear ).
Plenty of power ( 269 hp ) to get to the speed of traffic entering the freeway.
But, I'd be a little bit happier with 5,000 lbs towing and 500 lb. tongue. And, but, the Pilot and Highlander are as stylish as a high school locker.
The nice thing about the newer Pilot, Highlander, and SantaFe is the higher tow capacity; 4,500, 5,000 and 5,000. The best price is on the Santa Fe.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:47 PM   #14
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Just for the heck of it I’m gonna throw more into the mix how’s about a 4X4? When I had my old Dodge PU 4X4 there were a couple times I was thankful for it ‘cause it did get me out of predicaments on gravel roads.

Don mentioned a transmission cooler, something that should be added to any TV if it doesn’t already have one. “Tow Packages” nowadays don’t necessarily include one. The cost? For my 2012 4Runner it’ll be about $400.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:06 AM   #15
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Bought my RAV4 in Canada. Oil cooler and other towing goodies were standard.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:10 AM   #16
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Bought my RAV4 in Canada. Oil cooler and other towing goodies were standard.
Some goodies standard up north aren't standard down here
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:11 AM   #17
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I'd like to add 2.5 cents to this discussion. One thing missing in all these tow vehicle discussions is ..... braking capacity. Its one thing to have enough horsepower to maintain road speeds and probably speed limit going up hills ... but quite another to be able to stop in time in case of an emergency. I'm not sure how to compare braking efficiency but think it should be part of the discussion on what makes a good two vehicle.


Here is an example and yes, I deserve to have you guys wave a finger at me: A few years ago my Mother was moving out of her long time home and I stayed behind to clean / remodel her house to prepare for its sale. When it was time for me to leave, I built a Teardrop chassis with a simple plywood box .... it was 5' X 12' and proceeded to load it with everything of value. It weighed 2500 lbs all together but my tow vehicle only weighed 2800 lbs ... a '94 Toyota Pickup 4 cly. What to do ... this weight was well over capacity for my truck. I was driving from Ukiah, California to Tacoma, Washington. So I left at 2:00 am.


Here's what I found ... on the flats and slight hills, I could keep up 55 - 60 mph. Stopping however shocked me in a good way. It stopped pretty well. That load never had my heart in my throat trying to stop even though more than once someone pulled out in front of me ... of course not realizing how overloaded I was. Sure sometimes on a steep grade I had to pull over and drive the shoulder or use a pull out. Stacking up traffic behind me never was a problem (lack of horsepower).


I still have that little trailer and being a Residential Contractor, I load it to about the same as I did in this story, but now my tow vehicle is an '03 Astro, 6 cly but the vehicle weighs nearly 6000 lbs and really doesn't stop as securely as that little Toyota Pu did. Good thing that in Juneau, Alaska I can stick to 35mph roads when I'm loaded like that.


How would I test my potential tow vehicle? Well I'd ask for a test drive at the car lot and then back in a rental truck with 4000 lbs of sandbags and load them in the back seat and cargo area. With the salesman in the passenger seat, head first for a parking lot with speed bumps and see how she handles at speed. So far so good ...right? Next out in the traffic .... did she stop in time? .... how about acceleration? Is the salesman still breathing? Good! Head back to the lot and tell the sales man that you want to buy but want the other one over there as you are a little worried about the springs in this one.


Brakes .... a critical factor that rarely enters into a good tow vehicle discussion ..... always drive defensively.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:42 AM   #18
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The trailer has its own brakes and your tow vehicle would be equipped with a brake controller.
You still need decent brakes on the tow vehicle, but the trailer should be taking care of itself.
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The trailer has its own brakes and your tow vehicle would be equipped with a brake controller.
You still need decent brakes on the tow vehicle, but the trailer should be taking care of itself.
Ditto. Trailer brakes and a properly adjusted brake controller largely eliminate that concern.
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Robert's description of the differences between body-on-frame and unibody construction are excellent, but in practical terms I see no difference. Commercial trucks and vans routinely use unibody construction in much of the world, and with the introduction of the Mercedes Sprinter, Ram ProMaster, and Ford Transit to North America, they are proving their capability here, too.

The request was for recommendations for a small vehicle, so I wasn't going to mention the vehicle type that had been missed - the minivan - but the suggestions are getting into vehicles which are heavier than a minivan. A Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey is a capable tug for this size of trailer, with the same strength as many of the suggested SUVs (and sharing many of the same components), and excellent stability resulting from longer wheelbase.

I suppose braking capacity is relevant if the trailer brakes fail. If this is a concern, you want a heavy tow vehicle (because no brake hardware matters if the tires don't have traction resulting from weight) and you want a high Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (because the brakes must be adequate for that GVWR). These factors are completely opposite to minimum size and best economy.


Our current trailer is the weight and length of an Escape 17B (but wider), and our Toyota Sienna handles it well... but the fuel economy is not spectacular.
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