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Old 03-30-2014, 12:05 PM   #11
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Thank you all again. I'm going to have hubby sit down and read your responses.

I should have also mentioned the weight/specs of our trailer as indicated on the tag ... 1818 kg plus 336 kg cargo. Guess I should have paid more attention to the weight of the options ... A lesson to those working on their build sheets.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:40 PM   #12
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Aside from power, the Tundra has advantages in wheelbase, suspension capacity, structural strength and the capacity for the drivetrain to operate reliably at high power levels... although it is heavier itself so it has to work harder.

I'm not a fan of adding components aftermarket that the manufacturer does better - usually that's transmission cooling. In the specific case of the 2013 Highlander, it has Toyota's 2GR-FE engine; when that engine is used in the Sienna, the towing package includes an engine oil cooler which would be very expensive and difficult to add aftermarket. I would check out the engine oil cooling situation before I considered working the Highlander hard for extended periods by towing.


Torque at the wheels matters, but at the engine output shaft it doesn't matter whether you have higher torque at lower speed or lower torque at higher speed. The Highlander engine would need to spin faster, but if you are willing to use the required engine speed the end result at the wheels would be more pull with the more powerful engine.


Absolutely - good point.


Although the tonneau would be lighter (better for grade climbing and acceleration), the canopy may result in less air drag when combined with the trailer, thus requiring less power to maintain speed, and leaving more for climbing and accelerating at highway speeds. Anyone willing to experiment?
I towed a 16ft Scamp and a Escape 19 and now a Bigfoot 21RB with a 2007 Tundra 5.7L V8 4x4 CrewMax cab it has plenty of power.
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Old 03-30-2014, 01:03 PM   #13
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I towed a 16ft Scamp and a Escape 19 and now a Bigfoot 21RB with a 2007 Tundra 5.7L V8 4x4 CrewMax cab it has plenty of power.
Just a note:
5.7L V8 (3UR-FE): 381 hp @ 5600 rpm, 401 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
4.7L V8 (2UZ-FE): 245 hp @~4800 rpm, 315 lb-ft @ 3400 rpm
A substantial difference.
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:34 PM   #14
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I took my Honda Ridgeline and Escape 21 out for a test drive three days ago. The Ridgeline has a 3.5L V6 with 255 hp @ 5750 rpm and 252 lb.-ft. @ 4500 rpm. The Ridgelines tow rating is 5000 lbs. at sea level. I wasnít able to weigh the Escape, but it was loaded with all our camping equipment (chairs, grills, ladder, tools, toiletries, bedding, kitchen stuff, etc) and the truck had (fire pit, extra propane, camping games, covers, and another grill). The only things missing were the generator, bicycles, food and clothing. I didnít want to take it too far so I only took it over two passes, Tiger, at 1200 ft and a 6% grade, and Snoqualmie at 3000 ft (I donít know the grade). It did great, maintaining 60 mph at less than 3500 rpm. Engine breaking worked so well on the down hills, I had to turn it off because it was slowing us up too much. I then took a smaller hill while taking a friend home that was at a 10% grade. I started the hill at 40 mph (speed limit) and crested the top at 40 mph. The Ridgeline did have to go to 4000 rpm in order to maintain the speed. The engine temperature didnít rise at all but I could smell heat from the converters when we stopped. Honda tells me that heating up the converters with a climb like that is normal. This summer Iíll be driving over many mountain passes with confidence (because of many talks with Honda reps) and apprehension (because I havenít done it yet). But thatís me.
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:39 PM   #15
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Thanks for the report Tom. We're taking our 21 out for a quick over night next weekend.
So far i've only towed locally, but the Chevy does really well... It's rated at 291 hp @ 6000rpm and 277 lb-ft @ 4800, so you have to be willing to rev it to get it.
It'll get it's big test on the way to Maryhill in May - Snoqualmie Pass, Manastash Ridge summit and Satus Pass. Then I'll see if/how soon I'll be shopping for a V8.
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Old 03-30-2014, 06:10 PM   #16
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Paul, Norma, and of course The Girls, See you at Maryhill in May.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:01 PM   #17
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That's a very helpful report, Tom, for those of us anticipating towing an Escape 21 with a 5000-pound rated SUV.

It's encouraging to hear that you could maintain the speed limit on those grades.

And, your TV and 21' together make a good-looking rig!
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:27 PM   #18
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Brent and Cheryl, thanks for the compliment. It's not that cute little Casita we use to own, but wow, what a nice trailer this is. I think Escapes look good behind any tow vehicle.

We'll know for sure after this summer about the towing. We're going from Seattle to south of Frisco on I5, then up 101 to the northern border. From there we're heading north east to the Three Sisters area, west across the mountains to the Tillamook area, then to Mt. Rainier and on to Sequim. We're either going to prove it's capable of towing the 21, or we're going to kill it. I'm hoping for the first!!
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Old 03-31-2014, 09:46 PM   #19
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Hi all - Just an update ... we made it! Thanks to Brian's great detailed information, and the positive results from others, we set off from Ashland, armed with a new confidence. Our Tundra performed perfectly! In fact, we were up and over the 4300' summit before we knew it. After that, we laughed at upcoming hills .... (I think "newbie" apprehension and a steep grade on our very first hill got the best of us.)

John did a fantastic job of pulling a trailer for the very first time and was able to get out of some tight situations in parking lots and gas stations. Unfortunately, our narrow road at home, a tight turning area and both of our inexperience at backing up/spotting led to a broken tail light on the truck. But if that's the only mishap, I consider it a small one. (I'm calling a contractor tomorrow to have the parking area widened and graded .... )

Anyway, thank you all so much for your help and inspiration. Glad to hear those with 21'ers are experiencing good results as well.
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