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Old 08-06-2010, 09:52 PM   #11
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Re: Toyota Tacoma and Escape 5.0

Hi: Scout... We tow with a 2002 shortbox GMC Sierra. We have 40" distance from the hitch center to cab window. We have 51" height at the axle ground to top of box sides. We have the axle lift on the trailer for a level tow. On a tight turn there's 4" clearance between the cab and the trailer. We also have a 16K Husky hitch with the double tilt, for aft/side to side and the Ez roller slider...but have never used the rollers.
I was never the sharpest pencil in the physics lab, but I can't see how the extender would be the same as mounting the hitch behind the axle. It might change the pin weight as it would make the trailer longer.
I believe that with a 5th. hitch and composit box truck you require a saddle under the box to mount to the truck frame. Then the hitch mounts to the saddle.
You will have to do the math. Which is less expensive, trade the truck or get the hitch with rollers and or the pin extender.
Again a good hitch shop will make all the difference. Alf
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:29 PM   #12
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Re: Toyota Tacoma and Escape 5.0

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" I believe that with a 5th. hitch and composite box truck you require a saddle under the box to mount to the truck frame. Then the hitch mounts to the saddle.... Again a good hitch shop will make all the difference".
Thanks Alf for the photos of your hitch. We are considering ordering an Escape 5.0, and will also need a tow vehicle. My preference is the Toyota Tacoma ( e.g. Double Cab, TRD Sport package, automatic, 73" long box). There are no Nissan dealers within 100 miles. However my local hitch installer reported that a 5th wheel hitch is not recommended in the Tacoma's composite box, so I would also need an experienced hitch shop.
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Old 08-11-2010, 05:02 PM   #13
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Re: Toyota Tacoma and Escape 5.0

Hi Karen and Peter,
You will LOVE the 5.0! With the long box, the Tacoma is just fine. Plenty of power, and nice room for the family. The problem with the composite box as I understand it, is that drilling through it will void the warranty. The hitch will be attached to the frame (as it is in the Frontier also), so it'll be plenty strong enough. Rease and Tammy have dealt with this many times I'm sure. I'd just wait until you get to Chilliwack, and have the hitch shop there install it for you (as they have for countless others of us who've taken our trucks to them....they're good!). Check with Rease and Tammy to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that's the only problem with the composite bed.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:27 PM   #14
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Re: Toyota Tacoma and Escape 5.0

Strange thing on the Tacoma: I've seen several references that Toyota says 5th wheels are a no-go, yet their owner's manual references 5th wheels and weight distribution.

So, I've had further conversations with Tammy, a local hitch installer in my town, and E&H Hitches right there in Escape-ville. Tammy says that hitch extenders are OK for use on the 5.0. So, with a 22" cab-to-hitch distance, the 3" offset of the existing pin to the trailer, and 10" extension with an RV5, I'd say I'm in good shape with my Tacoma short-bed. E&H also says they'll install a basic Reese 5th wheel, non-sliding hitch, but will probably need me to sign a waiver.

I'm excited about the possibility of towing the 5.0! Not that a 19 would be a bad thing, I just like the idea of the extra room and the improved towing experience.

Now if only the USD/CAD exchange rate would improve a little....
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:15 PM   #16
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Re: Toyota Tacoma and Escape 5.0

Hi: All...When we first looked at the 5.0 I knew that the quality was there!!! Now at that point there were only two kinds of Escape. 17' or 5.0.
I really love the extra height of the roof line, even though I'm not that tall. The ease of hooking up was the clincher. Hear that wonderful clank...watch the lock arm spring shut, plug in, loop the breakaway switch wire over the handle do a light check...and tug off to Buffalo!!! Alf
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Old 08-18-2010, 04:03 AM   #17
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Hi Scout

I have a 6' box with a sliding hitch which moves 9" back for manuevering. In the forward position, it is 29" from the cab....rear position...38", which allows you to comfortably jack knife the trailer. After taking the 5.0 on many trips and never needing to slide the hitch back, it seemed redundant to set the hitch to allow for jack knife.....hence the 29" permanent setting we now recommend. Moving the hitch forward a few more inches would not make too much difference on the turning radius as at 29"...there is plenty.

This still may not put the center of the hitch over the axle, however adding air bags, overload springs, etc will easily pick up the weight. My previous truck was a Mazda B4000 2 wheel drive with extremely wimpy suspension. I installed a fixed hitch 38" back which put the center of the hitch 4"-5" behind the axle. I installed airbags to beef up the rear and carried the 5.0 very comfortably.

After all this....my recommendation....mount a sliding hitch 24"-25" from the cab which can be slid back 9" for tight manuevering and add a suspension helper if you need it.

The local hitch company has installed many fifth wheel hitches into trucks with the composite box with no problems....and no waivers!

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Old 03-12-2013, 08:33 AM   #18
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The rear axle center line on my 2011 Frontier short bed is 20" from my rear glass. Using a 9" slider on a 5.0 hitch, how far behind the axle would you recommend placing the hitch for the Escape 5er? Would you think additional support for the rear suspension is necessary? Any way to determine this other than trial and error?
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Scout - Did you ever get your 5.0? If so which hitch configuration did you go with?
We have a 2011 Frontier short bed and are trying to figure out just what hitch to use on the used Escape 5.0 we just bought.
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Thanks Alf for the photos of your hitch. We are considering ordering an Escape 5.0, and will also need a tow vehicle. My preference is the Toyota Tacoma ( e.g. Double Cab, TRD Sport package, automatic, 73" long box). There are no Nissan dealers within 100 miles. However my local hitch installer reported that a 5th wheel hitch is not recommended in the Tacoma's composite box, so I would also need an experienced hitch shop.
- first post from Karen and Peter, Deep River ON
Hi Karen and Peter

We pulled out Escape 5 with an 08 Tacoma, 6' box Trd. and it worked just fine. Rease can set you up with a hitch installer who has no problem with installation in the composit box. I would recommend the higher axle for the trailer. We presently pull with a chevy silverado, 5.3 liter with the 6 speed tranny, which enables us to pull our boat behind the 5th wheel (which is allowed in Alberta) and are pleased with this combo as well.
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