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Old 11-14-2019, 01:49 PM   #1
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First pictures of E21 LE

Still in mock set up but just received these from Karl at Escape....
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:07 PM   #2
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The front dinette looks huge, maybe seating for 8. Perhaps with a front bunk option a family of 6 could be comfortable.
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:40 PM   #3
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Looks to me that they are forced to working within the limitations of the existing 21' mold and thus, the front dinette area takes up the same space that the bed and bath formerly used. Just to reduce the size of the seating area, they could add short cabinets on each side of the trailer next to the bath and doorway.
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:44 PM   #4
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I looked at this mock up last week when I picked my 19 up from having some mods and repairs done. Me being solo the dinette is huge and takes up a lot of space that could be used for other things. The counter space is not any bigger then my 19 and the bathroom is now also the 19 size. When I stood in it the floor space between the bed and the dinette really didn’t feel any longer then my 19. I was actually really interested in a 19 foot on steroids but for me personally I wasn’t impressed, not upgrading.
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:53 PM   #5
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I'd love to see a reversed E21 LE with the dinette in rear and front bed....
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Needs to take lessons from whoever was shooting the pics before.
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The counter space is not any bigger then my 19 and the bathroom is now also the 19 size.
These are two items that most people probably would be paying attention to when jumping up in size. I don't think most buyers just want a larger dinette especially when traveling solo or as a couple. Most buyers would be expecting a larger counter top, larger bath and more useful storage space than in the current 19.
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Old 11-14-2019, 04:17 PM   #8
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These are two items that most people probably would be paying attention to when jumping up in size. I don't think most buyers just want a larger dinette especially when traveling solo or as a couple. Most buyers would be expecting a larger counter top, larger bath and more useful storage space than in the current 19.
What I would want for new 21 .Yes I totally agree on more useful storage in the 19 . My biggest grip even though I have improved on that a lot . Putting bed in front running like in the back of 19 . Bath same if can get a few more inches where it is in our 19 . Nice u dinette in rear and a little better counter space . They have at least another 24 in to work worth in length alone to accomplish this . Pat
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What I would want for new 21 .Yes I totally agree on more useful storage in the 19 . My biggest grip even though I have improved on that a lot . Putting bed in front running like in the back of 19 . Bath same if can get a few more inches where it is in our 19 . Nice u dinette in rear and a little better counter space . They have at least another 24 in to work worth in length alone to accomplish this . Pat
Actually is is 18" longer and 4" wider.....215# heavier
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I wonder that they couldn't work an L shaped dinette where the bed is in the basic/regular 21...maybe with a sliding table of some sort - leaving the bath where it is...... Somehow that huge dinette with a smallish kitchen prep space seems off balance to me.
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What makes me wonder, is how it’s going to handle on the road. With the axles at the same spot as the 19, and the 2 feet added to the front with hardly no weight, wouldn’t there be too much weight behind the axles?
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Old 11-14-2019, 06:48 PM   #12
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It should handle the same as the current E21, unless the axle weight changes, will not know until it is weighed.
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:04 PM   #13
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... Just to reduce the size of the seating area, they could add short cabinets on each side of the trailer next to the bath and doorway.
The one next to the doorway would be like the one in the 17'. I would rather have that than the very long dinette, but it would make access to the curb side of the dinette seating more difficult.

By the way, the 21LE as shown is layout of our 1979 Boler B1700RGH but with the rear always in bed mode, although the dimensions are different. If I stretched the Boler, I wouldn't add much of the extra length to the dinette.
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With the axles at the same spot as the 19, and the 2 feet added to the front with hardly no weight, wouldn’t there be too much weight behind the axles?
I assume that it is not proportioned this way, but instead has the axles in the same place in the body as the current 21'.

If a trailer was designed by adding length only ahead of the axle, and the addition weighed nothing, the stretched trailer would have reduced tongue weight but improved stability. The original Escape (the 17') actually was designed by adding two feet only ahead of the axle (of the 15-foot Surfside).
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I don't think most buyers just want a larger dinette especially when traveling solo or as a couple. Most buyers would be expecting a larger counter top, larger bath and more useful storage space than in the current 19.
Those are exactly the things I want in an upgrade from our Boler. The regular 21' is good; this is not... for us.
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Not feeling the love for the E21LE. Such a tiny counterspace in what is supposed to be an upgrade. A much larger dinette seems a poor tradeoff. I'm not a designer genius by any means, but it seems an opportunity to be creative with that extra space was missed. Curious to see how popular this unit is compared to the other winners in Escape's lineup.
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I assume that it is not proportioned this way, but instead has the axles in the same place in the body as the current 21'.
I don’t understand: bed is same width as in the 19 and counter is even shorter then in the 19.
Then wheels are located after the door. Doesn’t that mean that the extra length is in the front?
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Actually is is 18" longer and 4" wider.....215# heavier
Yes our 19 is 19.5 in total in length . Living quarters is less then 16 ft. 18 in in a RV , you can do a lot with .Our 19 weighs a lot less then the newer 19’s which doesn’t make a difference pulling trailer with a F250 to us . Just don’t like the 21’s layout . Always wish it was reversed with dinette in rear , but will just see what their final plans are . Really like the new choices in cabinets, flooring and fabric . Time will tell . Pat
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I don’t understand: bed is same width as in the 19 and counter is even shorter then in the 19.
Then wheels are located after the door. Doesn’t that mean that the extra length is in the front?
That makes sense, although I don't think there are any real dimensions available... just reports of rumours of discussions.

I think if you compare the 19' to the regular 21', you'll find about the same distance from the rear wall to the door. The total of bed width and kitchen cabinets is 107" in the 19'; it's 37" (dinette) + 64" (kitchen) for 101" in the regular 21'. That's a few inches different (actually shorter in the 21'), but they're pretty close.

Even the regular 21' seems to have most or perhaps all of its extra length (compared to the 19') ahead of the axles, and so the same is likely true of the 21'LE. That means that when comparing the 19' and 21'LE, essentially all of the 21'LE's extra interior length will be in the dinette.

The interior length of the 19' is 15'8"; the corresponding length of the 21' is 17'4" (yes, the nominally "two foot longer" model is really only 1'8" or 20" longer). The cabinets over the 19' dinette are 32" long (according to the previously published floorplan with dimensions), and the 21LE dinette is apparently 55" long, so that's 13" of the extra body length used up.

Comparing 21' layouts, the LE allocates more of the length from rear wall to door to the bed than the regular 21' uses for the dinette, leaving less of that length for the counter.

A mould for a trailer costs tens of thousands of dollars and in the past has taken months to make. This is just a floorplan option, not a separate model, so I wouldn't expect the new mould which would be required to reposition the wheel wells. Not changing the axle position also avoids a unique frame.
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It's interesting that they didn't put the flooring down before building it out. Though it is a mock-up.
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