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Old 02-13-2015, 12:36 PM   #101
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For anyone concerned about the aesthetics of the new furnace cover, you could also have a custom one made. This company makes some beautiful registers and vent covers to any size you specify and any design you like - from plain to ornate:

Custom Order Custom Grills Custom Registers Custom Vent Covers made to order

I have no idea about the price though.
Thank you Bryan. I believe Reace said he would try to find a paint that would work to help it blend in. That with the additional cabinet modifications should end up with a result that really is the best of the old layout and the new. However if no luck on the paint I will definitely investigate this link. Thank you!
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:50 PM   #102
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By the way, I ran my furnace (the older Atwood) for a Casita owner at a rally, and they noted that it was much quieter than their Suburban.
When we went from our 2005 19' Scamp 5er to our 2008 Escape 5.0 we noticed a significant improvement in noise level from the furnace. The distance form the furnace to the bed is about the same in both trailers but the noise is less and doesn't bother us anymore.
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The new furnace has less BTU output than the older one? It appears to be 9000BTU vs 12,000 BTU. But there is an option for a different model with a side and front discharge, perhaps allowing it to be located under sink and get a side vent towards the bathroom?
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Old 02-13-2015, 03:01 PM   #104
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As I read these (now 11) pages, I am trying to imagine any other manufacturer I have dealings with responding in such a proactive and listening manner as Reace and Tammy do. All I have to do is remember back to my contacts with "another fiberglas trailer manufacturer" ( there, I won't make Donna mad at me again ) and it is night and day different.
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The new furnace has less BTU output than the older one? It appears to be 9000BTU vs 12,000 BTU. But there is an option for a different model with a side and front discharge, perhaps allowing it to be located under sink and get a side vent towards the bathroom?
The difference is input vs output. The input BTUs are 12000, same as the old Atwood. The output will never be 12000 BTU because some of the heat generated by the furnace escapes by other means, and is not actually heating the trailer. When a manufacturer says their furnace is "12000 BTU", that's typically an input BTU.
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The new furnace has less BTU output than the older one? It appears to be 9000BTU vs 12,000 BTU. But there is an option for a different model with a side and front discharge, perhaps allowing it to be located under sink and get a side vent towards the bathroom?
I ran a heat loss calculation on a 21 ft Escape the other day. I assumed R values for the walls floor & windows based on the trailer having all of the insulation upgrades . Since we live in a cold climate and often travel in cold weather I assumed a design interior temp of 68 deg F and assumed a outside temp of -10 deg F with a wind factor of 5 MPH ( Infiltration). . My calculations showed a heat loss / hr of 12070 BTUs. Since I do not know the design temp that ETI uses for their trailer the 9000 BTU furnace may be adequate but in our climate I believe it may come up a little short . I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO SLANDER ETI just pointing out something to consider if you camp in "COLD" weather.
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The difference is input vs output. The input BTUs are 12000, same as the old Atwood. The output will never be 12000 BTU because some of the heat generated by the furnace escapes by other means, and is not actually heating the trailer.
Exactly. If the new model is more efficient it should be able to produce that same output heat with less input. I think of how hot that outside vent gets with my old Atwood, whereas my 97% efficient home furnace vents out thru a piece of plastic pipe and is only warm.
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I ran a heat loss calculation on a 21 ft Escape the other day. I assumed R values for the walls floor & windows based on the trailer having all of the insulation upgrades . Since we live in a cold climate and often travel in cold weather I assumed a design interior temp of 68 deg F and assumed a outside temp of 0 deg F with a wind factor of 5 MPH ( Infiltration). . My calculations showed a heat loss / hr of 12070 BTUs. Since I do not know the design temp that ETI uses for their trailer the 9000 BTU furnace may be adequate but in our climate I believe it may come up a little short . I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO SLANDER ETI just pointing out something to consider if you camp in "COLD" weather.
Most people ( my self included) who camp is colder areas supplement there heat with another source, I really like taking a small electric space heater. Produces less condesation, saves propane and is quieter. Of course this only works if you have access to power. I will either make sure I have power or use the generator when its really cold. Going to Jasper next weekend and hopefully there will be room in the powered sites.
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...Going to Jasper next weekend and hopefully there will be room in the powered sites.
Dave, make sure that you bring your spare water pump.

We were in Jasper a week ago (didn't bring the Escape though). Malign canyon was fun, not as much ice as previous winters, and skiing at Marmot was ok (snow was also about average or slightly below). But I really like Jasper, it is much nicer than Banff.
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I ran a heat loss calculation on a 21 ft Escape the other day. I assumed R values for the walls floor & windows based on the trailer having all of the insulation upgrades . Since we live in a cold climate and often travel in cold weather I assumed a design interior temp of 68 deg F and assumed a outside temp of -10 deg F with a wind factor of 5 MPH ( Infiltration). . My calculations showed a heat loss / hr of 12070 BTUs. Since I do not know the design temp that ETI uses for their trailer the 9000 BTU furnace may be adequate but in our climate I believe it may come up a little short . I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO SLANDER ETI just pointing out something to consider if you camp in "COLD" weather.
I have stayed in our trailer well below freezing, and the furnace had no troubles at all keeping up to the temps desired. We too use a small electric heater if 120V is available, but that is not too often.
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We were in Jasper a week ago (didn't bring the Escape though). Malign canyon was fun, not as much ice as previous winters, and skiing at Marmot was ok (snow was also about average or slightly below). But I really like Jasper, it is much nicer than Banff.
I have never skied at Marmot, but have always planned to. I have heard it is a good hill, with lots of snow. Maybe nearing spring this year, once the big snowfalls start. I too like Jasper better than Banff, especially when comparing the townsites, and the numbers of visitors.
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