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Old 04-09-2014, 10:31 AM   #1
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How much propane do you burn below freezing?

Lets say you are camping at dead freezing point temperature (zero degree), and your thermostat is set at 20C, how fast do you burn your propane? I'm trying to determine if two 20lb tanks are sufficient or not for what we need.

We don't expect to do any winter camping, but we could end up camping where during the night, it falls below zero every night and we could be there for 2 weeks or more.

I will add as much solar as it is physically possible if I choose to go with the Escape 21 but I don't think that helps to fight below zero condition.
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:57 AM   #2
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I have camped down to 5 degrees F and utilized both the on board propane as well as supplemental electric heat. It was comfortable with both and it would be comfortable with just the propane but you will use a lot more propane without the supplement electric heat. The dual tanks should last you at least 2 weeks on propane alone. That said, I would not camp for more than one night without the supplemental electric, more as a safety issue than comfort. I assume you have the thermal package and the spray foam addition.
On edit, your -0- is 32 F so you should be fine on propane alone. Just check the tanks daily and when the tank switches over, get the other tank filled. My single ETI panel installed has my group 29 battery recharged by noon during the winter.
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Supplemental electric heat probably needs shore power, correct? The places I plan to visit won't have any shore power so I'll have to do with just the propane for the heat source. I doubt it will reach as low as 5F though.

Do you think I can get by 2 weeks on just two 20lb tanks? Or should I figure out a way to accommodate 30lb tanks?

And yes, the setup will be equipped with additional insulation, thermal windows, additional foams and heat pads. It will also have at least two 6V batteries (looking for ways to accommodate 4, if possible) and significantly more than 95w of solar panels.
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:30 PM   #4
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If weight becomes a concern you might be better off considering bringing along an extra 20 lb tank than changing out the 20 lb ones for 30 lb. Most of the year you would not need the extra propane and therefore the extra weight which will be on the tongue?
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:31 PM   #5
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Do you know how often the furnace fan would be on at 32 F (+/-)? Maybe 20 mins per hour, 15 amps in a day?

( trying to figure out what the "base" loads will be for a 24 hour period, then relate that to battery and solar choice. I'm guessing 5 amps for water pump, 3 for LEDs, 5 for miscellaneous detectors, 4 amps for Maxxfan on low, plus? )
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:39 PM   #6
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I think you're attempting to make calculations where there are just too many variables. For example, how many times a day will you open and close the door? Any windows or vents open? No trailer yet, so you don't know what, if any insulation capacity exists, nor do you know the output capacity of your heater. Too much going on...
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agreed - an impossibly complex task to estimate how often the fan comes on.

Although, I do suppose that someone with a 19' trailer (yhbae is talking 21', but they are so new I suspect there may not be tons of real world experience yet), with insulation, with double pane windows, with spray foam, who has been in cooler temps, may have some sense of how often their fan runs with furnace set for some modest interior temp.

And a "sense" of the thing is probably as close as can get.
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Hmm, perhaps carrying another 20lb could be a feasible solution. But I will make sure the TV can handle the weight of 30lb tanks at the hitch, so ideally if I don't need to touch those tanks (except for fill-ups), that would be the best.

I've already done some exercise on the solar sizing, and it tells me I need more than two batteries. I'm also looking for a way to add either 3 or 4 of those 95w panels. Looks like Escape 21 cannot handle two 160w panels but it appears to be possible to add 3 95w panels. Someone has already (successfully) installed one 95w and one 160w on Escape 19, so I assume this is feasible on Escape 21 as well. Even 4x95w might be possible as well but hard to tell just by looking at the pictures (I haven't purchased the trailer yet).

The idea here is to use more small panels so that if I get partial shades, hopefully, they won't cover all the panels at the same time. With big panels, even a small partial shade results in almost no power for me.
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Do you know ( or care) if the new 5.0 TA offers more available space than the 21' for mounting your various solar panels? Probably will not differ much, just a thought that popped up.
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Do you know ( or care) if the new 5.0 TA offers more available space than the 21' for mounting your various solar panels? Probably will not differ much, just a thought that popped up.
I thought about it, but I think a SUV will suit my lifestyle better than a pickup. Plus, for some reason, even the new 5.0 features smaller holding tanks than the Escape 21 and for me, bigger holding tanks is a BIG plus. If I could pay extra to get larger holding tanks, I would.
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