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Old 08-14-2019, 09:41 AM   #1
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Lion Energy Lithium?

I couldn't find any mention of this relatively new lithium option in the forum. Has anyone else researched their Safari UT 1200 lithium?

Highlights I have found so far:

90 a/h (vs 100 for Battle Born)
21 lbs (vs 31 for Battle Born)

Smaller than Battle Born, and I think a pair will drop into the ETI battery box that came with my dual 6v. The size difference (and weight) is a result of the cell makeup. Safari uses less larger prismatic cells while Battle Born uses more small cylindrical cells. I will leave it to wiser members than me to weigh in on which is better.

Ray from LoveYourRv has a blog post and video on these batteries as he was given a set to test/review. His initial reaction has been positive but its very early. They list the price as $999 but seems like the selling price is more typically $799. He has a "code" for that price.

I'm in no way affiliated with the company or blogger mentioned (I didn't link but they are easy to find), just interested in the electrical experts opinion on these.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:48 AM   #2
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I couldn't find any mention of this relatively new lithium option in the forum. Has anyone else researched their Safari UT 1200 lithium?

Highlights I have found so far:

90 a/h (vs 100 for Battle Born)
21 lbs (vs 31 for Battle Born)

Smaller than Battle Born, and I think a pair will drop into the ETI battery box that came with my dual 6v. The size difference (and weight) is a result of the cell makeup. Safari uses less larger prismatic cells whhttp://www.lakeshoreimages.com/lithium.htmlile Battle Born uses more small cylindrical cells. I will leave it to wiser members than me to weigh in on which is better.

Ray from LoveYourRv has a blog post and video on these batteries as he was given a set to test/review. His initial reaction has been positive but its very early. They list the price as $999 but seems like the selling price is more typically $799. He has a "code" for that price.

I'm in no way affiliated with the company or blogger mentioned (I didn't link but they are easy to find), just interested in the electrical experts opinion on these.
I haven't seen them, but did install a pair of Battleborn 100 amp hour batteries in the Escape box. They make a GC2 format version. They are listed at $1049.00, but Battleborn gave me $50.00 off for each.

They are high enough that with cables the is nor room for the top to go back on, so I cut the outside of the case down for the wiring. Some photos and description of the change here.

So far I am very pleased with the change.
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Old 08-14-2019, 09:22 PM   #3
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In spring 2017 I bought a Lion Energy jump starter, which has (or is supposed to have?) a lithium-ion battery in it. I charged it up and put it in the truck in case of emergency. 8 months later I pulled it out and checked it, and found that the battery was flat empty. So I called them on the phone to ask about warranty (it's supposed to be 1 year). Their customer service guy, or whoever, told me that the battery running flat in 8 months was to be expected and was no sign that anything was wrong with the unit. He advised me that they recommend recharging the jumper once a month.

I think that experience speaks for itself.

Since then I do recharge the thing every 2-3 months, and I have actually jumped a person's battery with it, so it works... as long as it's got the juice. I paid a good chunk of change for the thing, so I figure I'd better get some use out of it. But I won't buy that brand again.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:36 PM   #4
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Any li battery will discharge slightly without charging. My goal zero battery’s recommend keeping on its charger or at least every few months. While there aren’t as bad as nicads, basic charge maintenance will be necessary. I put mine on the charger in my truck occasionally to top it off. My camera batteries do the same thing without use they lose a little each day.
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Old 08-15-2019, 02:20 AM   #5
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odd, my small LiIon powered things stay charged for months and months. I have a flashlight that has a single 18650 in it, and I only use for emergencies like late night car crashes on the road outside my house... (its insanely bright) after sitting a YEAR its still got most of its charge. now, maybe LiFePo4 has more self-discharge.

for sure lead acid needs to be charged at least monthly, if not kept on a battery tender full time.
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With the battery disconnect switch open, and starting at 80% (the recommended long term storage SOC by Battleborn) my pair of Battleborn 100 amp hour batteries dropped .1 volt over a month. The only thing connected was the Victron battery monitor.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:58 PM   #7
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I could understand a loss of, say, 5% per month from the original charge. I use lithium 18650 cells for flashlights all the time, and they simply don't lose 100% of their charge in 8 months while just sitting. An aged cell or one that is otherwise bad (perhaps poor mfg?) would do that, though.
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LFP self-discharge should be more on the order of 1-3% per month. >10% per month definitely implies something was wrong with either the design or the construction there.
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