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Old 06-02-2015, 07:07 PM   #131
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I had read some test results recently, and vinegar will not kill all types of bacteria. Chlorine is used successfully world wide as a disinfectant, and when diluted properly, then rinsed well, leaves almost no residual traces.

I guess it is like going with what has been proven effective.
Chlorine is also a "contact kill" disinfectant according to my chemical engineering wifey; so nothing is gained leaving it in overnight. We dump a cup into a gallon of water and run it through all the piping. We do drain the water lines after each camping trip, so there's nothing remaining in the tanks (including hot water heater.)
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I suggest you drink bottles water until home arrival. You could also hve altitude sickness, I had that last year enroute to Osoyoos, drink plenty of water.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:25 PM   #133
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I had read some test results recently, and vinegar will not kill all types of bacteria. Chlorine is used successfully world wide as a disinfectant, and when diluted properly, then rinsed well, leaves almost no residual traces.

I guess it is like going with what has been proven effective.
Another little problem with vinegar is the presence of the magnesium anode in the hot water heater. Here is the chemical reaction: Mg + 2 CH3COOH ---> Mg(CH3COO)2 +H2. Not only are you destroying the anode, but you are making hydrogen gas. That's a big problem.

My preferred alternative, although pricy, is Aquamira. The active ingredient in Aquamira is Chlorine Dioxide.

Quoting from folks who sell water treatment systems to cities (obvious bias):
"How much chlorine dioxide should be dosed?
For the pre- oxidation and reduction of organic substances between 0,5 and 2 mg/L of chlorine dioxide is required at a contact time between 15 and 30 minutes. Water quality determines the required contact time. For post- disinfection, concentrations between 0,2 and 0,4 mg/L are applied. The residual byproduct concentration of chlorite is very low and there are no risks for human health."

Personally, I'll save the vinegar for home-made pickles.

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Old 06-03-2015, 12:31 AM   #134
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The instructions, of which I have seen several that concur on the amount of bleach to use in an RV, are aimed at disinfecting the fresh water tank as well as the lines. Consequently, the tank has to be filled. The amount of bleach commonly given is about one quarter cup per fifteen gallons, so we used a little more for our 19' and will use twice that for our 21'. The bleach is first put into a gallon container with gallon of water and mixed, then into the trailer followed by filling the tank. Then it goes into the lines and is left to sit overnight or at least a few hours before flushing, possibly needing to sit due to the dilution. Anyway, that is what we do. We may use one of those exterior water filters, in addition, which does not do as much.

Also, however, did see a trailer magazine article against using bleach. Whatever it was they recommended, I could not find it.
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Old 06-03-2015, 12:48 AM   #135
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I suggest you drink bottles water until home arrival. You could also hve altitude sickness, I had that last year enroute to Osoyoos, drink plenty of water.
Bottled water is a good idea. I doubt that I have altitude sickness-- I recently spent a couple of weeks at 6000+ feet, and had not been below 4000 feet for more than a month, prior to the drive up to Osoyoos. Heck, at one point I stomped up a half-mile trail to photograph a waterfall that was at 9700 feet in Colorado. I'm surprised that didn't kill me.
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I assume your propane/co detector is working.
My fire / CO detector is working; I replaced the battery recently and tested it. The propane detector has a green light on. If there is a test procedure I'll do it tomorrow. I've run the furnace quite a bit since I got it working again; I hope that's not the problem.
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My fire / CO detector is working; I replaced the battery recently and tested it. The propane detector has a green light on. If there is a test procedure I'll do it tomorrow. I've run the furnace quite a bit since I got it working again; I hope that's not the problem.
The propane detector is working with the light on. Whether you could have a venting problem that is not a propane leak, I don't know. Hope you are getting a good amount of air from a couple of windows with Maxx fan also open even if cold, especially if cold, to move air out in case something is not venting enough or properly. That would not be limited to the furnace. Don't know if anyone here can tell you how to check all of the venting or if you can check it yourself.
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Another little problem with vinegar is the presence of the magnesium anode in the hot water heater. Here is the chemical reaction: Mg + 2 CH3COOH ---> Mg(CH3COO)2 +H2. Not only are you destroying the anode, but you are making hydrogen gas. That's a big problem.
Don't you just love active metals!

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My preferred alternative, although pricy, is Aquamira. The active ingredient in Aquamira is Chlorine Dioxide.

Quoting from folks who sell water treatment systems to cities (obvious bias):
"How much chlorine dioxide should be dosed?
For the pre- oxidation and reduction of organic substances between 0,5 and 2 mg/L of chlorine dioxide is required at a contact time between 15 and 30 minutes. Water quality determines the required contact time. For post- disinfection, concentrations between 0,2 and 0,4 mg/L are applied. The residual byproduct concentration of chlorite is very low and there are no risks for human health."

Personally, I'll save the vinegar for home-made pickles.

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Aquamira; Hmm, interesting product. My experience with chlorine dioxide is that it always had to be generated on-site, and was not a consumer product by any means. (It was used to disinfect our local hospital-- yes, the whole building was basically tented!)
So, this looks like a preferred choice, as you say.
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Don't you just love active metals!
Yep. On our boat we called them "sacrificial anodes". Gave up their lives for the sake of the stainless steel and bronze.


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Aquamira; Hmm, interesting product. My experience with chlorine dioxide is that it always had to be generated on-site, and was not a consumer product by any means. ...
So, this looks like a preferred choice, as you say.
I have no idea if it is preferred for RVs. As a backpacker I use it frequently. Since the version I use is a 2-part liquid, I do generate the chlorine dioxide "on-site". 14 drops per liter.

When we took delivery of our '21 I had an almost new container of Aquamira in my pack but no chlorine bleach, so I "sacrificed" the whole $14 container and treated the water system.

I now have a quart of bleach - which I will use but will flush before filling the freshwater tank. Lots cheaper!

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